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Re: Yes, really Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM

As it was established in the book, creating something requires a weave. Creating something more requires more weaves.

You provided the wrong quote. There is a paragraph after the one you've provided where Myrddraal attacks Rand and Rand weaves 100 Arrows at once.


While I sorta agree with you that what Rand did was very impressive, I must disagree with you here.

The text strongly suggests that what Rand does, is create a single weave on his hands and this single weave (composed of two flows, earth and fire) then creates all the arrow-filaments that Rand uses.

Essentially, rather than creating separate weaves for each arrow, Rand creates a single weave which then spews out a continuous stream of filaments. An analogy to this could be what Nynaeve did to Rahvin. She summoned fire and filled the whole hallway where Rahvin was with it, but I doubt she created a separate weave for each distinct flame.

Though if you think of it, this actually makes what Rand did far better than otherwise. I mean having to create a separate weave for each filament would be horribly inefficient. If this were truly the case, Rand would have been better off creating a blossom of fire (which only requires 1 more flow) since that causes destruction on a wide area, rather than just a single arrow-filament.

Instead, Rand creates a single weave composed of just 2 flows. And this single weave is capable of shooting lots and lots of filaments with Rand just having to maintain this weave. I think this is a demonstration of a truly master-level channeling, doing something so strong with something so little. If you compare that to standard AS tactic of just throwing fireballs (which Egwene does btw), the AS look just plain silly in comparison.

With just 2 flows and a single extraordinarily intricate weave, Rand creates what is essentially an OP-machinegun. If Egwene could have created this, she could probably have killed all of the Raken and prevented Seanchan from gaining Traveling. But then Egwene is just a politician and an average channeler. I suppose you cannot blame her for not having the skill that the experts have.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2945 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1683 Views
There there - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1623 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1481 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1592 Views
I agree he was much better than before - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1430 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1652 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1549 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1542 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1493 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1491 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1587 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1481 Views
Again, what? When? - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1465 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1424 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 983 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1692 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1389 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1479 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1634 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1334 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1593 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1551 Views
I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1510 Views
Re: I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1751 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1603 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1568 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1489 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1547 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2109 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1483 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1496 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1412 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1521 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1302 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1209 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1421 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1532 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 896 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 927 Views
of course it does - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1495 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1361 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1514 Views
That's nonsensical. - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1510 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1387 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1477 Views
*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1384 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1435 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1393 Views
Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1317 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1491 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1351 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1435 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1488 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1377 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1443 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1472 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1462 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1430 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1361 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1442 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1378 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1399 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1327 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1406 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1422 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1539 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1427 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1371 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1505 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1469 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1433 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1499 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1423 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1458 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1337 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1308 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1569 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1563 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1404 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1395 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1367 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1413 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1409 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1397 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1405 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1481 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1411 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1348 Views
Exactly my point - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1375 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2748 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1500 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1424 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1379 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1259 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1422 Views
Nope - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1488 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1621 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1553 Views
but whoever wins - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1476 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1538 Views
I actually think Lan would win - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1468 Views
Agreed - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1418 Views
I think Lan, hands down. - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1292 Views
THANK you. - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9963 Views
Re: THANK you. - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1394 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1592 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1285 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1488 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 885 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 841 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1487 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1468 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1522 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1454 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1438 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1413 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1414 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 865 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1411 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1464 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1426 Views

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