The trouble is that Egwene does not really practise hardcore all that much more than Nynaeve does, less even I would say since she is so busy with politics. She is an expert at dreaming to be sure, but not at channeling. I cannot recall any scenes where Egwene is shown to be practising hard at channeling, nor a scene where she is shown to do something truly unique and spectacular.
Well, Egwene and Nynaeve are both shown to be interacting with Aes Sedai who refuse to accept their status.
Egwene wows them with her skill, and they say they can teach her nothing more. Nynaeve, while showing the ability to copy anything they can throw at her, also shows that she doesn't know much!
Nynaeve lets two Aes Sedai, weak ones at that, surprise her and shield her, Egwene, when faced with five, thinks of finishing them off!
Not only has Egwene shown more skill, she is much more confident of her ability as a channeler. You think of Egwene as a politician, but her greatest trait is her curiosity and her impatience to learn, which even the Wise One's comment upon. And she's shown the rewards that can have. She channels with an easy Nynaeve has never displayed.
I am not saying that she is a weak or pathetic channeler, but neither is she elite. What she is, is average. She is a good dreamer, and a relatively clever politician. But nowhere do I get the impression that she is a master-channeler. And infact we see this very fact during the Seanchan attack when even with a sa'angreal, she uses basic fireballs and air-weaves. Compare that to say Rand during the Stone attack with another sa'angreal (callandor) and the construct he created to kill trollocs and you will actually see a master at work (though that was obviously LTT rather than Rand).
So she's worse than Lews Therin, the prime example of a well trained AoL channeler. Exactly what does that prove about a woman with less than two years experience with the Power?
And she uses Fireballs and Air weaves. Do you have evidence that Nynaeve used anything different against the Trollocs in KoD? Rand sees nothing but those from the Aes Sedai!
And we have no clue what else Egwene used. That battle was woefully under described.
The section says: "dividing her flows fourteen ways".
A weave is a construct of OP that can be made using 1 or more flows. In this instance, Egwene actually creates 7 weaves, with each weave composed of 2 flows (Fire and Air). These are the color effects (for each ajah).
There's a contradiction by your own evidence.
As you said, Egwene made seven balls and seven rings. That's fourteen weaves. But, as you pointed out, each was made of Air and Fire. That means 28 flows according to you.
Yet, the text describes it as "dividing her flows fourteen ways".
So who is right, you or the text?
And weaves are not made of flows. They're made of threads. The flow that is "divided" is the flow of the One Power. When you make fourteen weaves, you divide the Power flowing into you into fourteen tasks. Each individual Power (of the five Powers, not the OP itself) that is used in a weave doesn't constitute a separate flow of the OP.
What Rand/LTT does is create 12 weaves. But each of his weaves is composed of 3 different flows. So 36 flows to produce 12 weaves. Rather than Egwenes 14 flows. What Rand does is FAR beyond what Egwene does here.
Even by that "logic", Egwene is making 28 flows under Forkroot, as opposed to Rand's 36 while fully strong. More importantly, her flows are being juggled, a complicated process, apparently.
Not to mention that Egwene is weaker than Rand generally, and does not in any way intimate that 14 is her upper limit, whereas Rand has stated before that 12 is his maximum.
Your repeated attempts to show Egwene as unskilled by comparing her with Rand only reinforces my point, by the way. Save Rand and the Forsaken who have AoL training and knowledge, Egwene is shown to be the most skilled channeler.
It is true that Egwene is under forkroot, but from the way it is written, I got the impression that the only difference forkroot makes here is that the glowing-balls she creates are weak and transparent. And infact, during the Seanchan attack, we dont see her do even 14 actual attack weaves at once, even with the help of a link and a sa'angreal. That suggests that rather than being good at multitasking, the stress of battle distracts her and prevents her from doing what she did in the safety of the classroom.
When do we see the need for her to use fourteen weaves when the Seanchan attack? Most of it was offscreen!
The one time we see her fighting them, she's diverting multiple fireballs and arrows being shot at her while also decimating multiple to'raken and raken.
When comparing what Rand/LTT did during the trolloc attack in KoD to what Egwene did (with a link and a sa'angreal!) during the Seanchan attack, Egwene comes off as utterly pathetic.
So, Egwene is worse off then Rand? Never claimed to the contrary. Doesn't mean she won't make mincemeat of Nynaeve in her current state.
Nynaeve would kick her ass easily.
Because Rand can? That is totally illogical. And unsupported by evidence.
Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right!
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04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM
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Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat*
04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM
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There there
04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM
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Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS.
05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM
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It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win.
04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM
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Gawyn is incredibly irritating
05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM
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No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true.
05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM
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Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true.
05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM
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Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true.
05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM
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Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad.
06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM
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Again, what? When?
06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM
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Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland
06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM
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Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM*
06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM
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Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right!
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05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM
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Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then.
05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM
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Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass
05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM
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I agree.
05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM
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Re: I agree.
05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM
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You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD.
05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM
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Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD.
05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM
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I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience.
06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM
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Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass
05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM
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yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test
05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM
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Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test
05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM
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That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed
05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM
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she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought!
06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM
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Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS.
06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM
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she passed pretty easily IMO
06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM
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Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way.
07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM
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Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way.
07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM
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Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is.
07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM
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The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM*
05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM
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of course it does
06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM
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That's not how it happens in New Spring.
06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM
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that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS)
06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM
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That's nonsensical.
06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM
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It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization"
06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM
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About splitting weaves 14 ways
05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM
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Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways
05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM
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Can you provide that quote?
06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM
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Re: Can you provide that quote?
06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM
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Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows.
06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM
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there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved.
06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM
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That's the nature on the weaving.
06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM
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Not really
06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM
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Yes, really
06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM
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Re: Yes, really
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Re: Yes, really
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Re: Yes, really
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Re: Yes, really
07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM
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Re: Can you provide that quote?
06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM
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1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows
06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM
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Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM*
06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM
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IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill
06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM
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so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia.
06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM
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It's a lone example contested by many other examples
07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM
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the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien
07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM
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Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien
07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM
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from RJs lips to your ears ...
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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ...
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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ...
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... but I can't let this one go...
07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM
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Hmm...
07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM
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if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ
07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM
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i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM*
07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM
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Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you
07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM
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Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken?
How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch?
05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM
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I disagree
06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM
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Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear
06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM
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Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear
06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM
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she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing
06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM
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On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM
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but whoever wins
05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM
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*nods* That's cuz ...
05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM
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I actually think Lan would win
05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM
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Agreed
05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM
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If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM*
05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM
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I think Lan, hands down.
05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM
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THANK you.
05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM
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You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring.
05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM
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According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once...
06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM
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Huh ....
06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM
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Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once...
06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM
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If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand?
06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM
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