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the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM
And Verin makes the attempt with Graendal and she barely escapes with her life... RIP Kumira. Rather telling that the least skilled of the title characters (and AS) takes this tactic.

Also, why so many ter'angreal that melt weaves, or warn of danger etc... if all a woman really needed to survive during the breaking was a good strong angreal so she could overwhelm any attacker?

You think like the AS ... Strength is all that matters, it's rather laughable how much they rely on strength. I think RJ instituted the strength hierarchy as simply one more way of illustrating the foolishness of the AS. Sadly it actually seems to discourage AS from learning more about the OP!

Even the Forsaken don't seem all that concerned with Strength, beyond a general notation that the are all incredibly strong. Skill is what they use to differentiate themselves.

Pointing out Egwene's ability to split flows merely highlights her extraordinary skill, it's an example nothing more. But when put in the context of Nynaeve being "clumsy" I think it paints a picture.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 3149 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1895 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1850 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1677 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1784 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1642 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1902 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1764 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1776 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1709 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1733 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1809 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1734 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1707 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1640 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 1088 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1927 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1613 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1692 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1861 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1511 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1821 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1773 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1696 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1957 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1823 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1763 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1683 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1759 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2323 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1681 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1710 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1642 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1715 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1515 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1414 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1626 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1730 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1614 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1702 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1601 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 1040 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 1054 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1722 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1597 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1705 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1756 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1586 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1673 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1606 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1632 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1595 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1531 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1732 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1555 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1684 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1722 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1655 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1602 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1651 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1743 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1657 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1659 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1550 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1664 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1622 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1604 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1599 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1615 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1619 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1706 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 974 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1640 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1756 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1659 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1574 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1741 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1713 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1655 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1716 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1633 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1672 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1534 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1526 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1776 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1797 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1587 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1598 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1696 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1579 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1649 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1582 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1573 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1627 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1639 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1617 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1605 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1734 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1622 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1556 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1588 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 3025 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1724 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1638 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1594 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1449 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1628 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1691 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1864 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1774 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1715 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1746 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1693 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1612 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 878 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1508 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 10173 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1636 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1844 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1503 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1700 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1513 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 982 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 944 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1749 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1663 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1749 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1681 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1663 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1639 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1626 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 970 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1624 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1668 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1618 Views
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