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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM


EotW - Aginor and Balthamel both use it vs Moiraine, Rand etc.


Actually Moiraine uses brute strength via her angreal and loses.

TSR - Rand beats Asmodean in a pure strength contest, winning solely due to his angreal.


This wasn't a duel, this was a wrestling match.

TFoH - Rand uses strength more than skill against Lanfear.


and until Moiraine kills Lanfear he's getting his ass kicked due to Lanfear's superior skill!

TFoH - Again, Rand uses all his strength to BF Rahvin, the only possible way to save his friends.


Go read the book ... this battle was all about Rhavin using his superior skill to kick Rand's ass ... again the only reason Rahvin lost here is because Nynaeve made a sneak attack!

TFoH - Ironically, you're claim that "the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien" is no longer true at the end since Nynaeve beats Moggy using her wits, and NO power at all.


You are finally understanding my point. Strength isn't what wins these battles! Skill, wits and guts do.

LoC - Rand uses his strength to break the shield on him so hard that 2 AS are stilled. Earlier, he constantly measures how safe he is from the AS by their strength and number, ignoring whether they are Red, Green or Brown. Skill doesn't factor in to Rand/LTT.


Again, go re-read this ... LTT taught Rand the skill necessary to break the shield ... all his strength did absolutely nothing until he learned from LTT.

...That's enough for now, you get the drift, I've skipped plenty and I could go further in the series and add plenty more.


I agree, you've done enough for now ... thanks for helping prove my point.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2763 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1527 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1442 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1305 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1374 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1258 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1451 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1364 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1380 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1299 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1293 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1392 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1259 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1267 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1232 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 896 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1520 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1209 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1297 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1429 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1154 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1421 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1380 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1314 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1554 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1419 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1363 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1295 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1352 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1903 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1322 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1328 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1233 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1336 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1139 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1031 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1256 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1342 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1208 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1319 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1189 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 793 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 845 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1314 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1199 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1309 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1308 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1212 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1226 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1217 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1230 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1199 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1143 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1314 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1148 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1281 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1284 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1251 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1207 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1261 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1291 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1306 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1198 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1183 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1251 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1210 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1206 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1135 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1207 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1191 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1276 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 767 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1223 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1366 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1261 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1172 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1303 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1296 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1209 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1294 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1201 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1309 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1145 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1136 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1386 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1380 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1175 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1203 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1298 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1213 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1258 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1172 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1184 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1239 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1222 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1233 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1237 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1280 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1226 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1156 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1178 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2471 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1297 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1276 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1202 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1047 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1213 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1249 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1409 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1336 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1277 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1335 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1269 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1240 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 682 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1133 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9765 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1242 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1410 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1113 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1300 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1117 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 784 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 752 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1297 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1278 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1327 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1283 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1272 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1245 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1242 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 777 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1253 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1298 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1268 Views
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