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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM


EotW - Aginor and Balthamel both use it vs Moiraine, Rand etc.


Actually Moiraine uses brute strength via her angreal and loses.

TSR - Rand beats Asmodean in a pure strength contest, winning solely due to his angreal.


This wasn't a duel, this was a wrestling match.

TFoH - Rand uses strength more than skill against Lanfear.


and until Moiraine kills Lanfear he's getting his ass kicked due to Lanfear's superior skill!

TFoH - Again, Rand uses all his strength to BF Rahvin, the only possible way to save his friends.


Go read the book ... this battle was all about Rhavin using his superior skill to kick Rand's ass ... again the only reason Rahvin lost here is because Nynaeve made a sneak attack!

TFoH - Ironically, you're claim that "the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien" is no longer true at the end since Nynaeve beats Moggy using her wits, and NO power at all.


You are finally understanding my point. Strength isn't what wins these battles! Skill, wits and guts do.

LoC - Rand uses his strength to break the shield on him so hard that 2 AS are stilled. Earlier, he constantly measures how safe he is from the AS by their strength and number, ignoring whether they are Red, Green or Brown. Skill doesn't factor in to Rand/LTT.


Again, go re-read this ... LTT taught Rand the skill necessary to break the shield ... all his strength did absolutely nothing until he learned from LTT.

...That's enough for now, you get the drift, I've skipped plenty and I could go further in the series and add plenty more.


I agree, you've done enough for now ... thanks for helping prove my point.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2945 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1682 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1623 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1480 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1592 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1430 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1652 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1549 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1541 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1493 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1491 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1587 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1481 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1465 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1423 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 983 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1692 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1388 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1479 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1634 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1334 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1593 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1551 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1509 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1750 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1603 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1568 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1489 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1547 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2109 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1483 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1496 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1411 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1521 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1302 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1209 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1421 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1532 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1384 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1489 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1381 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 896 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 927 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1495 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1360 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1514 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1510 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1387 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1477 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1384 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1435 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1393 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1317 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1490 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1351 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1435 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1488 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1448 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1376 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1443 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1472 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1461 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1429 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1361 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1442 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1378 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1399 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1327 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1405 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1381 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1490 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 863 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1421 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1539 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1427 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1371 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1505 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1468 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1433 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1499 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1423 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1457 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1337 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1308 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1568 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1563 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1404 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1395 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1491 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1377 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1431 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1366 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1366 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1413 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1409 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1397 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1405 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1481 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1411 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1348 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1375 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2748 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1500 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1424 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1379 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1258 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1421 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1488 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1621 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1552 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1475 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1538 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1467 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1418 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 765 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1292 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9963 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1394 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1592 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1284 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1488 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1328 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 885 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 840 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1486 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1468 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1522 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1454 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1438 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1412 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1414 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 865 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1411 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1464 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1425 Views
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