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Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM
She would never have shown him her real hideout. The "palace" clearly isn't Natrin's Barrow, but that does NOT indicate that she wasn't at Natrin's Barrow in any way. The other palace was just a ruse to fool Sammael (and perhaps Ituralde as well).

Plus your point about Compulsion actually verifies Graendal's presence - who else could weave such complex Compulsion on Ramshalan? It may not have been subtle but it was clearly complex enough to shock Nynaeve.



I doubt that's really likely. He swung in for visits a little too often for her to have been able to pull it off, not to mention her own thoughts when here match the description of the palace Sammael visted:

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Spears

She opened a gateway to her palace in Arad Doman, to the long columned room where she could see her pets frolicking in the pool.

As for the Compulsion, note that it's different than the Compulsion on Kerb. Who's to say one of her many slaves isn't a Channeler that she taught to impersonate her?
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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 2038 Views
I brought all this up before.. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 921 Views
Glad it's been brought up before darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 870 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . Palatine - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 897 Views
I don't see problems Skeeve the Great - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 930 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 895 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 782 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 894 Views
I don't think so. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 853 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 751 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 787 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 818 Views
He used scouts to find the place? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 757 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 797 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 817 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 798 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? JasonD - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 730 Views
More... Kieran - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 837 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* everynametaken - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 365 Views
seems like pretty big differences darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 770 Views
Not really. everynametaken - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 757 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 772 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 934 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 865 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 832 Views
Any number of things are possible darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 781 Views
You don't get it. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 782 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 887 Views
There aren't, really. DomA - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 733 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 849 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name Voscaia Sedai - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 846 Views
There are infinite possibilities darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 848 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 806 Views
*sigh back* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 874 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. Fanatic-Templar - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 801 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* Libby - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 415 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 801 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 791 Views
This from you? HA! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 805 Views
Look, Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 887 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 782 Views
The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long... Libby - 15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM 838 Views
I'm glad... Jeordam - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 824 Views
I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM* darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM 370 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 879 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... Jeordam - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 748 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1016 Views
The quote is in my original post! darius_sedai - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 754 Views
Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM 398 Views
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