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Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM
She would never have shown him her real hideout. The "palace" clearly isn't Natrin's Barrow, but that does NOT indicate that she wasn't at Natrin's Barrow in any way. The other palace was just a ruse to fool Sammael (and perhaps Ituralde as well).

Plus your point about Compulsion actually verifies Graendal's presence - who else could weave such complex Compulsion on Ramshalan? It may not have been subtle but it was clearly complex enough to shock Nynaeve.



I doubt that's really likely. He swung in for visits a little too often for her to have been able to pull it off, not to mention her own thoughts when here match the description of the palace Sammael visted:

ACoS
Spears

She opened a gateway to her palace in Arad Doman, to the long columned room where she could see her pets frolicking in the pool.

As for the Compulsion, note that it's different than the Compulsion on Kerb. Who's to say one of her many slaves isn't a Channeler that she taught to impersonate her?
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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 1752 Views
I brought all this up before.. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 662 Views
Glad it's been brought up before darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 603 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . Palatine - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 627 Views
I don't see problems Skeeve the Great - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 660 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 611 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 540 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 619 Views
I don't think so. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 573 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 476 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 526 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 552 Views
He used scouts to find the place? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 505 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 513 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 542 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 534 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? JasonD - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 463 Views
More... Kieran - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 582 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* everynametaken - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 251 Views
seems like pretty big differences darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 502 Views
Not really. everynametaken - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 482 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 504 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 681 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 596 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 555 Views
Any number of things are possible darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 495 Views
You don't get it. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 484 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 584 Views
There aren't, really. DomA - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 471 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 570 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name Voscaia Sedai - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 567 Views
There are infinite possibilities darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 580 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 540 Views
*sigh back* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 577 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. Fanatic-Templar - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 524 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* Libby - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 268 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 509 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 516 Views
This from you? HA! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 513 Views
Look, Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 578 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 504 Views
The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long... Libby - 15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM 546 Views
I'm glad... Jeordam - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 549 Views
I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM* darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM 248 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 580 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... Jeordam - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 461 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 753 Views
The quote is in my original post! darius_sedai - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 477 Views
Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM 246 Views
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