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This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM
I really, really wanted to like Egwene (and in fact, my early post-TGS posts tend to support her), but deep down I just don't have that much faith in her character.

Like Cannoli said, it's mainly that she hasn't (a) had a serious challenge (because being a normal person in a world of idiots can only make you so great), and (b) doesn't show humility or a fear of power at any stage of the series.

(b) especially scares me a little, because that's a very childish trait. Children want power, but as they grow they should come to realise the costs and price of power, and temper the desire for it. Rand has struck a good balance where he takes power when he needs to, but gives away what he can. He wavered a bit from this lately due to the Darkness in him, but he has considered the dilemma of power throughout the series.

Egwene's only dilemma regarding power is how much of it she can get and how fast. She never has a moment where she considers that another might be more suitable (for example, the Gray that organised the Tower during the attack, rather than running off leading novices into danger).

Perhaps worst of all is that she knows Halima has probably Compelled her, but fails to consider this, as does everyone around her. This is possibly my biggest issue with the series right now.

Ultimately, her actions in ToM will decide whether I end up liking her or not. She does have great potential, but until (a) and (b) are addressed, I can't take her seriously. I think it could all have been solved for me if her torture in the Tower had brought her pride down to the level where she doubted her own ability. Until she goes through the process of deconstructing and rebuilding her own self-confidence, she won't have mine.
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God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM 2834 Views
Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor? - 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM 994 Views
It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go? - 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM 1101 Views
We all do that - 14/02/2010 08:09:51 PM 1159 Views
You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done.... - 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM 951 Views
Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake - 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM 1246 Views
I thought she DID say "This I Foretell?" - 14/02/2010 07:24:19 PM 1095 Views
Yes she did. - 14/02/2010 07:34:43 PM 1290 Views
Take a sedative - 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM 1131 Views
somethings we can agree on! - 14/02/2010 08:12:05 PM 1146 Views
None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping - 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM 1098 Views
Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed - 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM 1104 Views
If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after... - 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM 1131 Views
Not really - 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM 1020 Views
Re: Not really - 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM 1048 Views
better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions! - 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM 1146 Views
This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM 1094 Views
actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM 1057 Views
Re: actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM 1143 Views
Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM 1163 Views
Re: Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM 1013 Views
yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to - 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM 938 Views
Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it? - 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM 1082 Views
how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 12:27:58 AM 943 Views
Re: how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 03:30:21 AM 1476 Views
watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM 1132 Views
Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM 1105 Views
Alright enough. Will you read the books already? - 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM 1154 Views
Fair points, & I somehow forgot that paragraph. - 16/02/2010 05:34:12 PM 1072 Views
You've forgotten a lot of paragraphs. - 16/02/2010 07:58:32 PM 1197 Views
The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM 935 Views
Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM 1050 Views
I'm going to agee with fionwe - 16/02/2010 01:07:37 PM 1000 Views
Same old same old - 16/02/2010 02:01:12 PM 1034 Views
that B*TCH! *NM* - 17/02/2010 03:10:30 AM 710 Views
Re: Same old same old - 17/02/2010 09:32:03 AM 1148 Views
Yes, but Egwene's is pride - - 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM 1066 Views
I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM 1017 Views
Re: I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 10:39:25 PM 1045 Views
I feel Galad could be up there, but we see so little of him - 16/02/2010 12:28:44 AM 1047 Views
are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1030 Views
Re: are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 06:55:16 AM 1115 Views
Oh, I don't think so. - 16/02/2010 09:12:57 AM 996 Views
Re: This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 22/02/2010 10:57:27 PM 1112 Views
It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM 1013 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM 1267 Views
this is hilarious - 15/02/2010 12:45:22 PM 1028 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM 1285 Views
Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM* - 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM 630 Views
Me. And I'm way smarter than you. - 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM 1100 Views
- 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM 1168 Views
Re: - 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM 1047 Views
Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM 979 Views
Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM 1070 Views
You need a re-read my friend - 16/02/2010 01:14:22 PM 1029 Views
Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM 1136 Views
Re: Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 03:14:55 PM 1078 Views
I've never understood the fascination with Lanfear - 15/02/2010 05:52:27 PM 1118 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM 1058 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM 985 Views
I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM 1130 Views
Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM 980 Views
I don't think so - 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM 1013 Views
Re: I don't think so - 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM 1092 Views
That's pretty much how I see it too - 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM 1011 Views
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM 1242 Views
Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM 1127 Views
Cadsuane needs to spank her. - 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM 1129 Views
yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past - 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM 1030 Views
It would be a very amusing moment. - 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM 999 Views
IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions - 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM 981 Views
and a massive failure - 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM 1123 Views
What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower. - 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM 889 Views
Actually that role is being played by Covril at the Stump *NM* - 15/02/2010 02:13:42 PM 658 Views
If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series - 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM 943 Views
But that's the point - 15/02/2010 03:26:03 PM 1027 Views
Not quite. - 15/02/2010 07:11:56 PM 1043 Views
Actually, you can't compare the two. - 15/02/2010 12:04:19 PM 1094 Views
No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM 1118 Views
Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM 1165 Views
Well, all those beatings were in private - 16/02/2010 07:54:00 PM 1042 Views
I actually think it will go the opposite way. - 16/02/2010 03:44:19 PM 1053 Views

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