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When has she ever actually done that? Rand thinks she will, but so far she's done nothing like it! darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 16/02/2010 02:08:23 AM

Egwene SHOULD give the Tower's loyalty to Rand. All of this maneuvering, posturing, "Bargaining"- it pisses me off. He's the only one who can save the world. He needs every resource he can to do it. If everyone just shut the hell up for a year or two and fell in line, the world would be united, and he'd be a LOT less darker (No Elaida abduction to start the crazy, no wars filled with dead women to progress it, no failures against the Seancean to increase his frustration, no noblemen rebelling against him to make him even harder...)


Rand thinks she will, but thus far they've not had a single interaction since she left Cairhien. He proactively offered Asha'man up to make good on what he clearly sees as a wrong done to AS. Where has Egwene ever "bargained", postured or held back her help? Remember when she went against all things AS and fought at his side? How about when she put her life on the line attacking Lanfear when his life was in danger? Or minutes later when she was still half dead from that attack and was still willing to help him go after Rahvin? Or in TGH when she hid him from AS because she was afraid they would Gentle him? What about when she and Elayne did everything they could to try and teach him to control saidin? Or when she tried to block Ishamael from Rand's dreams? Yeah, she constantly bargains with Rand to get her help and she's never done a thing for him that didn't benefit her...
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM 2693 Views
My sentiments exactly, though I think I'm a little more hopeful than you are. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 07:58:01 AM 1204 Views
Re: My sentiments exactly, though I think I'm a little more hopeful than you are. orius - 14/02/2010 09:26:47 AM 1006 Views
Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM 856 Views
What? We are no longer allowed to make predictions of the coming books unless they're pro-Egwene? Lordling - 14/02/2010 02:22:10 PM 957 Views
a theory vs. mindlessly attacking a character because you don't like them? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 07:00:27 PM 947 Views
It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go? beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM 941 Views
We all do that darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:09:51 PM 1010 Views
Is Egwene going to do what Elayne did when she met Rand after tearing down his banners? Cannoli - 15/02/2010 11:25:27 AM 1113 Views
You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done.... Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM 805 Views
Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM 1101 Views
I thought she DID say "This I Foretell?" beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:24:19 PM 917 Views
Yes she did. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:34:43 PM 1149 Views
No way these are fake... she's not BA and she she says she's having a Foretelling darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:24:29 PM 987 Views
Good point. And the "rent in fire and blood" part is almost certain as well. Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:13:29 PM 744 Views
Take a sedative Sidious - 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM 981 Views
somethings we can agree on! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:12:05 PM 960 Views
None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM 950 Views
Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM 956 Views
If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after... beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM 983 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM 873 Views
Re: Not really Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM 890 Views
better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions! darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM 997 Views
This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM 914 Views
actually it's about all of the main characters darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM 884 Views
Re: actually it's about all of the main characters Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM 973 Views
Well said. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM 1013 Views
Re: Well said. Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM 844 Views
yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM 781 Views
Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM 941 Views
how is that a good comparrison? darius_sedai - 18/02/2010 12:27:58 AM 794 Views
Re: how is that a good comparrison? Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 03:30:21 AM 1267 Views
watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM 982 Views
Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM 943 Views
Alright enough. Will you read the books already? fionwe1987 - 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM 997 Views
Fair points, & I somehow forgot that paragraph. Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:34:12 PM 909 Views
You've forgotten a lot of paragraphs. fionwe1987 - 16/02/2010 07:58:32 PM 1020 Views
The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM 786 Views
Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM 888 Views
I'm going to agee with fionwe darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:07:37 PM 850 Views
Same old same old Sidious - 16/02/2010 02:01:12 PM 871 Views
that B*TCH! *NM* darius_sedai - 17/02/2010 03:10:30 AM 647 Views
Re: Same old same old orius - 17/02/2010 09:32:03 AM 997 Views
Yes, but Egwene's is pride - Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM 889 Views
I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM 880 Views
Re: I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 10:39:25 PM 907 Views
I feel Galad could be up there, but we see so little of him beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 12:28:44 AM 900 Views
are you being serious? darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 861 Views
Re: are you being serious? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:55:16 AM 963 Views
Oh, I don't think so. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 09:12:57 AM 850 Views
Re: This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2010 10:57:27 PM 941 Views
Re: None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping orius - 15/02/2010 05:08:49 AM 919 Views
It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Sidious - 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM 843 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM 1089 Views
this is hilarious darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:45:22 PM 860 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:31:26 PM 958 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Cannoli - 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM 1127 Views
Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM 530 Views
Me. And I'm way smarter than you. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM 948 Views
darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM 1006 Views
Re: Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM 869 Views
Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM 828 Views
Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM 899 Views
You need a re-read my friend darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:14:22 PM 899 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:48:51 PM 1014 Views
Sidious' problem in a nutshell. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM 985 Views
Re: Sidious' problem in a nutshell. Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:14:55 PM 940 Views
I've never understood the fascination with Lanfear darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 05:52:27 PM 958 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene Gerbeaud - 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM 906 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene BlackAdder - 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM 849 Views
I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM 964 Views
Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then BlackAdder - 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM 777 Views
I don't think so darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM 819 Views
Re: I don't think so Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM 917 Views
That's pretty much how I see it too darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM 826 Views
I understood little sister to be a mild insult, Moiraine being so young and weak in the OP *NM* Lordling - 16/02/2010 08:25:55 PM 633 Views
maybe a touch patronizing? *NM* darius_sedai - 17/02/2010 12:51:25 PM 503 Views
Appears to be, but his thought process implies it's not as simple as him merely looking down on her. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/02/2010 05:07:19 PM 473 Views
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand Yondaime - 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM 1048 Views
Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand lilltempest - 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM 957 Views
Cadsuane needs to spank her. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM 943 Views
yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM 873 Views
It would be a very amusing moment. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM 831 Views
IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM 830 Views
and a massive failure Sidious - 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM 975 Views
What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM 758 Views
Actually that role is being played by Covril at the Stump *NM* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 02:13:42 PM 590 Views
If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM 798 Views
But that's the point Cannoli - 15/02/2010 03:26:03 PM 874 Views
Not quite. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 07:11:56 PM 871 Views
Everyone else is shown to be a bit small minded. Egwene is implied to be Strong And Wise beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 09:23:47 PM 790 Views
When has she ever actually done that? Rand thinks she will, but so far she's done nothing like it! darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 02:08:23 AM 918 Views
I meant that EVERYONE is bargaining, posturing, etc. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 02:54:29 AM 831 Views
Well miscommunication is one of the major themes of the series darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:17:25 PM 825 Views
the most idiotic theme IMO Sidious - 16/02/2010 03:27:26 PM 907 Views
I don't know if the theme itself is idoitic, but I would totally agree that it's gone nowhere! darius_sedai - 17/02/2010 03:16:30 AM 802 Views
Re: Everyone else is shown to be a bit small minded. Egwene is implied to be Strong And Wise Gerbeaud - 18/02/2010 01:19:00 AM 863 Views
Actually, you can't compare the two. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 12:04:19 PM 954 Views
No, Cannoli has the right of it here. lilltempest - 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM 971 Views
Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. Lordling - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM 960 Views
Well, all those beatings were in private BlackAdder - 16/02/2010 07:54:00 PM 884 Views
That was the point of the scene in front of the Sitters during the banquet. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 23/02/2010 06:58:50 PM 586 Views
Oh the one where Elaida tried to have her way with Egwene while the Sitters looked away? *NM* BlackAdder - 23/02/2010 10:12:04 PM 605 Views
Yes. Elaida wanted Egwene to be cowed in front of her into obedience, which would erode her support RugbyPlayingAshaman - 23/02/2010 10:18:03 PM 930 Views
I actually think it will go the opposite way. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:44:19 PM 902 Views
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