And as for Ramshalan, why would it even matter? I'm pretty certain that any level of Compulsion could be detected by delving, but few characters are delved. I mean Elza is a far more likely target for suspicion but even she isn't put under suspicion. So I think it's more likely that Graendal was trying to play games with Rand and instead fell for a larger ploy.
As for Kerb, I think that it's far more likely that he was simply following his programming in a way that Graendal could not anticipate. Its a lot like programming software - you can write the most complex software in the world, and it can STILL display emergent behaviours and lead to unintended consequences.
As for Kerb, I think that it's far more likely that he was simply following his programming in a way that Graendal could not anticipate. Its a lot like programming software - you can write the most complex software in the world, and it can STILL display emergent behaviours and lead to unintended consequences.
Ramshalan was the nobel right? He was definately going to get delved. A nobel who was supposed to go to some out of the way palace to talk with another nobel? Oh, and by the way, he was dropped off using the One Power. Yeah...he's totally gonna get delved. And besides which, you don't need to wipe the guy's mind to get him to do what you want.
Kerb...is he the chandler guy? The kid who was killing people? Ok, he was definately not likely to get delved...as he was very nicely planted in that jail. And planted to the point that not even the guards knew what he was really up to. He definately needed to be erased & built back up. That is something that would definately take Graendal's ability.
However all that being said, Graendal's ability with Compulsion cannot be overlooked. She is the best, and is often described by the other Forsaken as having a Talent in that area. She can use the hammer if necessary, but also can work it so subtle that no one would notice.
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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death
- 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM
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I don't see problems
- 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM
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"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get!
- 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM
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I don't think so.
- 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM
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so now she's been there for the last 50 years?
- 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM
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Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years?
- 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM
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you mean the scouts he sent?
- 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM
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He used scouts to find the place? 
- 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM
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- 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM
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Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM*
- 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM
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seems like pretty big differences
- 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM
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Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael.
- 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM
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Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael.
- 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM
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Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised?
- 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM
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Any number of things are possible
- 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM
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You don't get it.
- 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM
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Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said
- 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM
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There aren't, really.
- 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM
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so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle
- 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM
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Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name
- 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM
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There are infinite possibilities
- 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM
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She's dead, people need to move on. *NM*
- 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM
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I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead
- 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM
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Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone.
- 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM
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The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long...
- 15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM
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I'm glad...
- 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM
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I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM*
- 16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM
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Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved?
- 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM
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I think that I have my names mixed up....
- 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM
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Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM*
- 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM
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