Apparating and the fidelius charm, some good plotting and the food problem.
Camilla Send a noteboard - 04/12/2010 10:01:16 PM
I am very surprised that Yaxley can bring other Death Eaters into Grimmaud Place with apparition just because the secret was revealed to him. He won't be a secret keeper, after all. I wonder just how Rowling imagines this working. There seems to be an inordinate amount of strange stuff in this book about getting in to Grimmaud Place (and this raises the objection to apparating on the step of the building again as well).
Ron's re-introduction of the You-Know-Whoing of Voldemort is very useful plotwise. It keeps the taboo from being to immediately obvious, and stops them being swamped by bad guys all the time. And it makes sense in view of his character.
The Dumbledore subplot is tied to the hallows plot (which is also Voldemort's wand plot) through the young Grindewald, but it is not explicitly stated. And the subplot of the Sword of Gryffindor is taken up again from Dumbledore's will. I like how she weaves plot here. There is a very strong element of plot coupons in this book, but Rowling counteracts it by some strong plotting around it. I like how it also ties in with the uncertainty around Snape -- the trio assume Dumbledore managed to fool Snape, that it was Dumbledore who switched the swords.
And we learn about the exception to the first law of transfiguration -- no food from magic. And what I took to be an early indication of this (Hermione's attempts to fix the mouldy bread) turns out not to be: you can change food once you have it.
We also get the goblin issue by the river bank, which has been hovering in the background before, but comes to a head soon.
Ron's re-introduction of the You-Know-Whoing of Voldemort is very useful plotwise. It keeps the taboo from being to immediately obvious, and stops them being swamped by bad guys all the time. And it makes sense in view of his character.
The Dumbledore subplot is tied to the hallows plot (which is also Voldemort's wand plot) through the young Grindewald, but it is not explicitly stated. And the subplot of the Sword of Gryffindor is taken up again from Dumbledore's will. I like how she weaves plot here. There is a very strong element of plot coupons in this book, but Rowling counteracts it by some strong plotting around it. I like how it also ties in with the uncertainty around Snape -- the trio assume Dumbledore managed to fool Snape, that it was Dumbledore who switched the swords.
And we learn about the exception to the first law of transfiguration -- no food from magic. And what I took to be an early indication of this (Hermione's attempts to fix the mouldy bread) turns out not to be: you can change food once you have it.
We also get the goblin issue by the river bank, which has been hovering in the background before, but comes to a head soon.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book 7 - The Deathly Hallows
24/11/2010 07:47:44 PM
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Suggestions - tell us what we could do better for this final discussion.
24/11/2010 07:48:22 PM
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The series as a whole: overall thoughts about the Harry Potter universe and all it contains
24/11/2010 07:49:21 PM
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Overall thoughts for The Deathly Hallows
24/11/2010 07:50:12 PM
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This might be the only book other than the first where I actually like Harry.
30/11/2010 03:13:25 PM
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Argh, I keep mixing everything up with the movie!
04/12/2010 03:45:24 PM
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04/12/2010 10:33:03 PM
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Going all the way back to the beginning in a number of ways, all of them so far excellent.
07/12/2010 10:19:33 PM
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Having finished it again... it's good, at times great, but not the best book in the series, imho.
26/12/2010 08:19:47 PM
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Chapters 1-3: The Dark Lord Ascending, In Memorian, The Dursleys Departing.
24/11/2010 07:51:29 PM
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Characters: Voldemort, the Death Eaters, Harry, Dodge, Dumbledore, Skeeter & the Dursleys
24/11/2010 07:52:55 PM
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Snape, Draco, Lucius, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Ms Burbage, Dumbledore, and the Dursleys.
24/11/2010 11:46:16 PM
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Draco, female Death Eaters, Dumbledore.
25/11/2010 04:44:36 PM
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Re: Draco, female Death Eaters, Dumbledore.
25/11/2010 04:53:25 PM
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As Katie said, the husband is still around.
26/11/2010 10:56:30 AM
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Re: Charity Burbage
25/11/2010 06:47:43 PM
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Re: Charity Burbage
25/11/2010 06:48:52 PM
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Dudley
30/11/2010 03:16:25 PM
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Agreed, but she just went overboard too far early on for it to be credible now.
06/12/2010 08:44:48 PM
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Plotting, writing, early themes.
24/11/2010 07:53:33 PM
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Anything else? *NM*
24/11/2010 07:53:46 PM
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other stuff
24/11/2010 11:47:54 PM
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I've always thought Rowling went overboard with the Nazi links.
25/11/2010 04:26:58 PM
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Re: I've always thought Rowling went overboard with the Nazi links.
27/11/2010 01:20:44 AM
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Chapters 4-6: The Seven Potters, The Fallen Warrior, The Ghoul in Pyjamas *NM*
26/11/2010 07:27:53 PM
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Characters: Harry, the Order, Hedwig, Mr & Mrs Tonks, Voldemort, etc
26/11/2010 07:29:48 PM
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Harry, the twins, Mr and Mrs Tonks, Lupin, Mr and Mrs Weasley, Scrimgeour and Hermione
27/11/2010 11:56:17 AM
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30/11/2010 02:52:12 PM
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The Plot. The Writing. The Other Technical Things.
26/11/2010 07:30:35 PM
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Re: The Plot. The Writing. The Other Technical Things.
27/11/2010 11:59:36 AM
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Yes, Dumbledore gives a very complex answer about the wand thing
01/12/2010 08:44:57 PM
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
26/11/2010 07:30:49 PM
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Chapters 7-9: The Will of Albus Dumbledore, The Wedding, A Place to Hide
29/11/2010 06:39:52 PM
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The characters: usual suspects, Scrimgeour, Doge, Krum, Luna, Xenophilius, etc.
29/11/2010 06:41:41 PM
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I just realized something about Krum.
06/12/2010 09:00:28 PM
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The action.
29/11/2010 06:42:10 PM
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Hermione and obliviate.
30/11/2010 02:23:51 PM
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Re: Hermione and obliviate.
30/11/2010 03:24:06 PM
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I think this was a Rowling mistake. It happens
01/12/2010 08:32:25 PM
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Agreed, though a rather blatant one that someone should have caught... *NM*
06/12/2010 08:18:58 PM
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Kreacher quoting Regulus raises an interesting point...
06/12/2010 08:33:02 PM
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Er, I posted this in the wrong place. That's what I get when I try to catch up.
Sorry. *NM*
06/12/2010 08:34:06 PM
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Please, sir, may I have some more? *NM*
29/11/2010 06:44:14 PM
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I love the use of Patronuses (Patroni?) as messengers.
30/11/2010 02:59:04 PM
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Chapters 10-12: Kreacher's Tale, The Bribe, Magic is Might
01/12/2010 11:41:40 PM
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Characters: more of the trio, Kreacher, Mundungus, RAB and Umbridge
01/12/2010 11:42:34 PM
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Hermione and Ron, Sirius, Regulus, Kreacher, Lupin, Harry, Scrimgeour
02/12/2010 09:11:21 AM
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Re: Hermione and Ron, Sirius, Regulus, Kreacher, Lupin, Harry, Scrimgeour
04/12/2010 10:55:34 PM
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Seconded. Righteous anger is more fun than whiny angst-anger. *NM*
06/12/2010 09:41:16 PM
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I'm not sure why we're supposed to be surprised about Scrimgeour.
06/12/2010 09:46:27 PM
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Two things about Mafalda Hopkirk.
06/12/2010 09:54:53 PM
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Weaving the plot, the writing, and thematic matters.
01/12/2010 11:43:25 PM
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The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
02/12/2010 09:14:21 AM
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Re: The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
02/12/2010 02:12:29 PM
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Re: The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
02/12/2010 02:35:06 PM
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Re: The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
02/12/2010 04:16:14 PM
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And? And? And? *NM*
01/12/2010 11:43:46 PM
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Did we have a discussion for a previous book about how many wizarding schools there are?
04/12/2010 10:21:42 PM
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Re: Did we have a discussion for a previous book about how many wizarding schools there are?
04/12/2010 10:32:17 PM
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Chapters 13-15: The Muggle-Born Registration Commission, The Thief, The Goblin's Revenge *NM*
04/12/2010 11:01:25 AM
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Characters: Ministry members, the trio, Ted, Dean, Dirk, Goblins, Phineas Nigellus
04/12/2010 11:07:57 AM
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Umbridge, Mr Weasley, Percy, Phineas Nigellus, Ron and the second trio
04/12/2010 09:59:45 PM
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06/12/2010 10:41:08 PM
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Re: Umbridge, Mr Weasley, Percy, Phineas Nigellus, Ron and the second trio
06/12/2010 10:45:17 PM
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Plotting, writing, theming.
04/12/2010 11:08:47 AM
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Apparating and the fidelius charm, some good plotting and the food problem.
04/12/2010 10:01:16 PM
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Anything else? *NM*
04/12/2010 11:10:52 AM
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It may be a stretch, but with all the Nazi references, any WW2 reference is gonna catch my eye.
06/12/2010 10:09:04 PM
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06/12/2010 10:17:42 PM
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Chapters 16-18: Godric's Hollow, Bathilda's Secret, The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore
06/12/2010 09:57:00 PM
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Characters: Harry, Hermione, Bathilda, Dumbledore and others
06/12/2010 09:57:52 PM
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Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
06/12/2010 10:02:13 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
06/12/2010 10:14:26 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
06/12/2010 10:18:15 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
06/12/2010 10:34:15 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
06/12/2010 10:36:18 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
06/12/2010 10:39:58 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
06/12/2010 10:42:27 PM
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I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right.
07/12/2010 08:47:11 PM
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Re: I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right.
07/12/2010 08:55:54 PM
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Lights! Camera! Action!
06/12/2010 09:59:52 PM
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But wait! There's more!
06/12/2010 10:00:34 PM
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Chapters 19-21: The Silver Doe, Xenophilius Lovegood, The Tale of the Three Brothers
08/12/2010 08:47:04 PM
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Characters: Harry, Hermione, Ron, Lovegood ... and not many more. *NM*
08/12/2010 08:49:28 PM
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Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
09/12/2010 12:01:57 AM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
09/12/2010 03:04:11 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
09/12/2010 08:03:05 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
09/12/2010 11:48:08 PM
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10/12/2010 08:44:01 PM
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10/12/2010 09:00:44 PM
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10/12/2010 09:16:48 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
10/12/2010 09:19:38 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
19/12/2010 06:58:04 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
20/12/2010 09:36:17 AM
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What was that again about Hermione not being so good at thinking on her feet?
09/12/2010 07:52:23 PM
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Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last.
08/12/2010 08:50:53 PM
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09/12/2010 12:04:37 AM
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09/12/2010 03:25:53 PM
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I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up".
09/12/2010 06:52:29 PM
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up up down down left right left right b a select start. look at me I have 99 horcruxes!
10/12/2010 04:19:56 AM
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They're not so annoying yet, now.
09/12/2010 06:56:46 PM
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Re: They're not so annoying yet, now.
09/12/2010 11:52:02 PM
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Plus, it totally cheapens ability and skill if you have some "magic (magic) wand".
10/12/2010 08:56:28 PM
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10/12/2010 08:59:41 PM
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Chapters 22-24: The Deathly Hallows, Malfoy Manor, The Wandmaker.
10/12/2010 09:11:32 PM
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Characters: The Trio, the Malfoys, Dobby, a number of others. *NM*
10/12/2010 09:12:30 PM
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Hermione, Harry, Lupin, Greyback, Draco, Lucius, Bellatrix, Dobby, Dumbledore
10/12/2010 11:23:09 PM
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Re: Hermione, Harry, Lupin, Greyback, Draco, Lucius, Bellatrix, Dobby, Dumbledore
13/12/2010 08:47:27 PM
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13/12/2010 09:26:58 PM
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On a side note about wands
14/12/2010 06:05:13 PM
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Yes, I've caught myself immaturely sniggering on occasion, too.
14/12/2010 08:59:26 PM
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14/12/2010 09:04:43 PM
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Plot, writing, themes. *NM*
10/12/2010 09:13:37 PM
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An epiphany, Gollum, wands, the fidelius charm, grief, love and a strange blurring
10/12/2010 11:24:05 PM
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20/12/2010 01:00:38 PM
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20/12/2010 07:32:48 PM
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Chapters 25-27: Shell Cottage, Gringotts, The Final Hiding Place
13/12/2010 10:03:15 PM
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Characters *NM*
13/12/2010 10:03:29 PM
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Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
14/12/2010 05:16:51 PM
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14/12/2010 10:04:09 PM
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14/12/2010 10:19:04 PM
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14/12/2010 10:37:00 PM
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Re: Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
14/12/2010 10:45:36 PM
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Re: Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
20/12/2010 03:33:49 PM
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20/12/2010 07:35:51 PM
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Plot, action, etc. *NM*
13/12/2010 10:04:02 PM
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red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle.
14/12/2010 05:17:11 PM
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Other things. *NM*
13/12/2010 10:04:23 PM
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Film stuff
14/12/2010 05:17:18 PM
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Excellent point.
14/12/2010 10:05:01 PM
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Re: Excellent point.
14/12/2010 10:09:53 PM
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Sometimes Rowling's parallels are far too simplistic and unsophisticated.
20/12/2010 03:39:50 PM
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Chapters 28-30: The Missing Mirror, The Lost Diadem, The Sacking of Severus Snape *NM*
16/12/2010 01:07:20 PM
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Characters *NM*
16/12/2010 01:07:31 PM
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Aberforth and Dumbledore, Neville, Ginny, Luna, McGonagall, Harry, Percy, Fleur and the twins
16/12/2010 11:52:46 PM
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20/12/2010 05:16:13 PM
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20/12/2010 11:02:45 PM
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26/12/2010 08:43:03 PM
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Writing, action, plot, theme, yadda yadda yadda. *NM*
16/12/2010 01:08:04 PM
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red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good
16/12/2010 11:53:56 PM
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Re: red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good
20/12/2010 05:38:46 PM
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Re: red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good
20/12/2010 11:06:01 PM
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Other things. *NM*
16/12/2010 01:08:25 PM
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Chapters 31-33: The Battle for Hogwarts, The Elder Wand, The Prince's Tale
19/12/2010 07:56:39 PM
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Characters: far too many to mention.
19/12/2010 07:58:41 PM
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Too many to mention, indeed.
20/12/2010 09:30:54 AM
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The action, and plot advancement and completion.
19/12/2010 08:00:09 PM
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memories, cinematic moments and parallels.
20/12/2010 09:32:27 AM
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Chapters 34-36: The Forest Again, King's Cross, The Flaw in the Plan
20/12/2010 07:31:27 PM
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Characters: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Ron, Hermione, et al.
20/12/2010 07:32:15 PM
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Harry, Dumbledore, Neville, the Malfoys, Molly and Voldemort
20/12/2010 11:28:19 PM
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Tying up the plot.
20/12/2010 07:33:00 PM
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Narnia, blood, revenge of the downtrodden, sacrifice, plans and souls
20/12/2010 11:29:44 PM
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Epilogue: the future.
20/12/2010 07:35:06 PM
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