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Apparating and the fidelius charm, some good plotting and the food problem. Camilla Send a noteboard - 04/12/2010 10:01:16 PM
I am very surprised that Yaxley can bring other Death Eaters into Grimmaud Place with apparition just because the secret was revealed to him. He won't be a secret keeper, after all. I wonder just how Rowling imagines this working. There seems to be an inordinate amount of strange stuff in this book about getting in to Grimmaud Place (and this raises the objection to apparating on the step of the building again as well).

Ron's re-introduction of the You-Know-Whoing of Voldemort is very useful plotwise. It keeps the taboo from being to immediately obvious, and stops them being swamped by bad guys all the time. And it makes sense in view of his character.

The Dumbledore subplot is tied to the hallows plot (which is also Voldemort's wand plot) through the young Grindewald, but it is not explicitly stated. And the subplot of the Sword of Gryffindor is taken up again from Dumbledore's will. I like how she weaves plot here. There is a very strong element of plot coupons in this book, but Rowling counteracts it by some strong plotting around it. I like how it also ties in with the uncertainty around Snape -- the trio assume Dumbledore managed to fool Snape, that it was Dumbledore who switched the swords.

And we learn about the exception to the first law of transfiguration -- no food from magic. And what I took to be an early indication of this (Hermione's attempts to fix the mouldy bread) turns out not to be: you can change food once you have it.

We also get the goblin issue by the river bank, which has been hovering in the background before, but comes to a head soon.
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I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right. - 07/12/2010 08:47:11 PM 2631 Views
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True, but still. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:02:00 PM 1330 Views
Lights! Camera! Action! - 06/12/2010 09:59:52 PM 2606 Views
Hallows and Fidelius Charm. - 06/12/2010 10:03:33 PM 2783 Views
That could be it... or some snake senses, vibrations and all? - 07/12/2010 10:03:16 PM 2565 Views
But wait! There's more! - 06/12/2010 10:00:34 PM 2617 Views
As nutty as squirrel poo. - 06/12/2010 10:04:11 PM 2295 Views
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Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 12:01:57 AM 2778 Views
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 08:03:05 PM 2715 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 11:48:08 PM 2877 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 08:44:01 PM 2722 Views
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 20/12/2010 09:36:17 AM 2692 Views
What was that again about Hermione not being so good at thinking on her feet? - 09/12/2010 07:52:23 PM 2637 Views
Very, very true. *NM* - 09/12/2010 11:54:06 PM 1334 Views
Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 08/12/2010 08:50:53 PM 2754 Views
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Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 09/12/2010 03:25:53 PM 2749 Views
I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 09/12/2010 06:52:29 PM 2579 Views
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up up down down left right left right b a select start. look at me I have 99 horcruxes! - 10/12/2010 04:19:56 AM 2361 Views
It is, but the general idea was clear. *NM* - 10/12/2010 08:45:55 PM 1321 Views
They're not so annoying yet, now. - 09/12/2010 06:56:46 PM 2532 Views
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Anything else you'd like to say? *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:51:31 PM 1334 Views
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Yes, I've caught myself immaturely sniggering on occasion, too. - 14/12/2010 08:59:26 PM 2704 Views
Harry: - 19/12/2010 11:14:51 PM 2599 Views
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Re: Harry: - 20/12/2010 12:54:14 PM 2711 Views
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Plot, action, etc. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:02 PM 1320 Views
red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 14/12/2010 05:17:11 PM 2545 Views
The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:13:50 PM 2752 Views
Re: The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:27:35 PM 2821 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 03:37:36 PM 2978 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 07:37:07 PM 2700 Views
Other things. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:23 PM 1251 Views
Film stuff - 14/12/2010 05:17:18 PM 2592 Views
Excellent point. - 14/12/2010 10:05:01 PM 2584 Views
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Are we talking about film or book here? - 20/12/2010 12:58:46 AM 2488 Views
Both, ideally. - 20/12/2010 09:43:06 AM 2500 Views
Sometimes Rowling's parallels are far too simplistic and unsophisticated. - 20/12/2010 03:39:50 PM 2613 Views
I had not made the goblin/Jews connection *NM* - 22/12/2010 09:31:59 AM 1366 Views
Seconded. - 26/12/2010 08:29:44 PM 2693 Views
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Characters *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:07:31 PM 1299 Views
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Various characters. - 20/12/2010 01:10:42 AM 2655 Views
I think Percy's coming to his senses makes sense enough... - 26/12/2010 08:47:10 PM 2957 Views
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I seem to recall Dumbledore making a comment... - 26/12/2010 08:34:03 PM 2862 Views
Yes - 26/12/2010 09:18:56 PM 2593 Views
Writing, action, plot, theme, yadda yadda yadda. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:04 PM 1347 Views
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Other things. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:25 PM 1364 Views
Filch and a password. - 16/12/2010 11:51:24 PM 2639 Views
Re: Filch and a password. - 20/12/2010 05:41:02 PM 2597 Views
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Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 09:30:54 AM 2928 Views
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Re: Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 11:24:46 PM 2659 Views
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The action, and plot advancement and completion. - 19/12/2010 08:00:09 PM 2671 Views
memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 20/12/2010 09:32:27 AM 2467 Views
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Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 02/01/2011 10:29:38 AM 2755 Views
Other matters. *NM* - 19/12/2010 08:00:39 PM 1253 Views
More film stuff. - 20/12/2010 09:33:23 AM 2489 Views
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Characters: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Ron, Hermione, et al. - 20/12/2010 07:32:15 PM 2593 Views
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The Malfoys and Molly - 01/01/2011 10:55:28 PM 2807 Views
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Tying up the plot. - 20/12/2010 07:33:00 PM 2543 Views
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Anything else? - 20/12/2010 07:33:53 PM 2670 Views
Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 07:35:06 PM 2628 Views
Re: Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 11:31:28 PM 2946 Views
I'm the other way around - I mind it less this time. - 26/12/2010 09:52:21 PM 2668 Views

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