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Wait... no she doesn't! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 17/07/2011 01:29:52 AM
upon seeing Bloodraven she immediately assumes he's the Great Other and the main bad guy and needs to be immolated, rather than a potential ally.

Doesn't she think its likely that Bloodraven is, in fact, one of the Great Other's minions?

Also, is it just me, or did it seem that Quentyn almost did begin to control Viserion before Rhaegal made shish-kebab ala Martell out of him?
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A Dance with Dragons discussion thread Legolas - 11/07/2011 10:48:23 PM 6627 Views
Okay, first impressions. Basically spoiler-free, I suppose. ironclad - 11/07/2011 11:40:31 PM 2179 Views
I have it! *NM* fionwe1987 - 12/07/2011 05:42:27 AM 1180 Views
A general question to get the discussion started: will two more books be enough? RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 02:22:52 PM 2373 Views
A very good question *major spoilers, then* ironclad - 12/07/2011 02:55:05 PM 2333 Views
Oh, come on. If anyone can do it, Martin can. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:48:27 AM 2036 Views
It'll be tight. Werthead - 12/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 2369 Views
What does "resurrection-as-PWWP Jon" mean? Got it - Prince Who Was Promised! Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 08:59:44 PM 2246 Views
No but I think 3 will be possible Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:15:02 AM 2146 Views
what is Purple Wedding? *NM* aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:37:04 AM 1069 Views
Joffrey and Margaery wedding Roland00 - 27/07/2011 04:26:04 PM 2191 Views
Hero of the book? Werthead - 12/07/2011 10:12:02 PM 2478 Views
Lord Manderly gets my vote. RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 10:41:19 PM 2270 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:43:20 PM 2150 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ClubCaved - 12/07/2011 11:50:29 PM 2145 Views
Ohh, so that was what that was about. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:08:19 PM 2211 Views
That's what I thought too. Jessie - 25/07/2011 01:48:50 AM 2174 Views
Victorian Greyjoy = Hero of the book *NM* Urza - 21/07/2011 06:20:25 AM 1252 Views
Barristan should be renamed as Ser Grandfather, you do not mess with Ser Grandfather *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:32:09 AM 1251 Views
Asshole of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:46:10 PM 2367 Views
Agreed. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:18:07 PM 2311 Views
Seconded. He'd probably make my short list of Assholes of the Series to date. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 11:25:04 PM 1114 Views
Yeah, little doubt there. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:09:53 PM 2154 Views
Seriously... Urza - 18/07/2011 03:07:47 AM 2130 Views
Daenerys Targaryen & lifetime achievement award to Lord Rickard Stark Cannoli - 17/08/2011 12:38:40 AM 2067 Views
Idiot of the book. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 2394 Views
lol yep, definitely *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 08:12:42 AM 1174 Views
Re: Idiot of the book. Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:42:20 AM 2257 Views
I think readers are being too hard on Quentyn, If anything I think Doran derserves more mocking. Libby - 17/07/2011 01:09:35 AM 2540 Views
Wait... no she doesn't! fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:29:52 AM 2145 Views
She thinks both Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:22:59 AM 2076 Views
So... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:18:24 PM 2113 Views
No, it's him. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:25:33 AM 2129 Views
Is there any hot sex scenes? I won't be able to read it for a while *NM* Dark Knight - 13/07/2011 02:35:49 PM 1254 Views
One or two, but not all that long ones *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 02:57:12 PM 1214 Views
Great Ending ClubCaved - 14/07/2011 01:21:53 AM 2373 Views
Really? ironclad - 14/07/2011 09:36:01 AM 2317 Views
Re: Really? Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:38:34 AM 1954 Views
Re: Great Ending samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:05:00 AM 2121 Views
YES! Larry - 14/07/2011 02:38:48 AM 1940 Views
Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Stephen - 16/07/2011 07:27:43 PM 2114 Views
Re: Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:45:52 AM 2091 Views
I don't know what to think... (spoiler) aragornital - 14/07/2011 08:59:39 AM 2322 Views
Probably not. Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:19:03 AM 2286 Views
Re: Probably not. aragornital - 14/07/2011 03:57:55 PM 2143 Views
I think the two are mixed up. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:23:06 PM 2212 Views
Re: I think the two are mixed up. samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:10:29 AM 2046 Views
What made least sense for me as far as that is concerned... ironclad - 14/07/2011 11:51:20 AM 2182 Views
They didn't. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:24:53 PM 2239 Views
I see ironclad - 15/07/2011 08:28:09 AM 2139 Views
Didn't Jon just announced Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:51:07 AM 2090 Views
Something I totally missed first time through Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:40:33 AM 2514 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Cannoli - 16/07/2011 01:24:23 AM 2423 Views
Yep, that's what he said/thought A Deathwatch Guard - 17/07/2011 05:02:32 AM 2251 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Jessie - 23/07/2011 04:14:38 PM 2071 Views
Well that brings new meaning Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:18 AM 2017 Views
I'm still not fully done, but about the Reek chapters... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 04:05:29 PM 2234 Views
Agreed ironclad - 14/07/2011 06:18:15 PM 2250 Views
There's another... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 07:16:11 PM 2046 Views
There's that... Legolas - 17/07/2011 01:12:33 AM 2080 Views
It's worse than that... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:26:50 AM 2123 Views
Torture is wrong, and those chapters kinda proved it. *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:55 AM 1159 Views
GRRM completely shit the bed on Jon's arc within this book. That's the truth. Libby - 16/07/2011 12:51:08 AM 2304 Views
Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Variant - 16/07/2011 08:11:30 AM 2226 Views
Re: Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Zaphod - 17/07/2011 01:02:10 AM 2167 Views
Personally, I felt 'A Feast for Crows' was not only better written but more condensed. Libby - 17/07/2011 11:15:58 AM 2234 Views
Summed up like that there is no way to disagree with what you said ironclad - 17/07/2011 11:33:01 AM 2217 Views
You put words to my thoughts exactly. Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:17:09 PM 2082 Views
It should be re-titled A Jump with Sharks Tom - 17/07/2011 06:00:37 PM 2325 Views
Publishers are more interested in the bottom line. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:31:56 AM 2104 Views
Sadly, I am likely overestimating the intelligence of the readers. Tom - 18/07/2011 03:05:12 AM 2326 Views
I felt bummed by Sanderson's new series. everynametaken - 18/07/2011 05:25:09 AM 2157 Views
I bought that book but have yet to read it. Tom - 18/07/2011 01:09:15 PM 2054 Views
Re: I bought that book but have yet to read it. Zach - 20/07/2011 06:45:46 AM 2098 Views
You might like this quote from House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. heartbreak - 11/08/2011 03:42:05 PM 2227 Views
I'm afraid I have to agree with what seems to be the majority opinion... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:35:47 PM 2210 Views
And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:39:15 PM 2102 Views
Re: And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:17:41 AM 2290 Views
Yeah, I agree. Stephen - 18/07/2011 05:59:58 PM 2136 Views
The book really shows it is AFFC part 2 Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:00:07 AM 2136 Views
No doubt, much like readers would've been more forgiving of aFfC if it'd been two years after SoS. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:28:43 PM 2156 Views
Am I The Only One In Love With Arya's Chapters? *spoilers maybe* samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:22:00 AM 2149 Views
I enjoyed them, very solid chapters. Libby - 18/07/2011 12:50:43 PM 2189 Views
Unlike others, I won't start a separate thread to express my thoughts Larry - 19/07/2011 11:21:17 AM 2299 Views
Yeah, I wished there was a way to move them in here! ironclad - 19/07/2011 01:42:51 PM 2058 Views
Me too... but going and complaining about them seems so lame, too. Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:34:47 PM 2048 Views
I agree with Jens, good balanced review. *NM* Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:50:13 PM 1142 Views
I think you let him off too easily. Tom - 20/07/2011 04:19:07 AM 2202 Views
It might be that I expected even more of a longeur than what happened Larry - 20/07/2011 05:24:50 PM 2148 Views
Your review is a little too generous (in my opinion) Libby - 20/07/2011 06:57:45 AM 2374 Views
I find myself both depressed and let down... Zach - 20/07/2011 06:37:16 AM 2503 Views
Am I the only one who really likes... ironclad - 20/07/2011 06:04:00 PM 2295 Views
yeh, he is nice... *NM* aragornital - 20/07/2011 06:20:13 PM 1138 Views
Davos is probably my favourite Stephen - 20/07/2011 09:51:03 PM 1933 Views
I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Variant - 21/07/2011 01:15:33 AM 2262 Views
Re: I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Timthetrolloc - 21/07/2011 09:33:00 AM 2091 Views
The six bodies fired by the trebuchet Stephen - 20/07/2011 10:36:16 PM 2139 Views
Yes, I was confused by that too. Legolas - 20/07/2011 10:53:35 PM 2090 Views
Probably pale mare victims. Seige warfare via plague Urza - 20/07/2011 11:23:10 PM 2114 Views
Yes, I considered that as well... Legolas - 20/07/2011 11:48:32 PM 2087 Views
Have Quentyn's two mates already been sent off a this point? ironclad - 21/07/2011 02:03:15 PM 2149 Views
That could be it. *NM* Stephen - 21/07/2011 01:43:16 PM 1049 Views
It's not six bodies, it's six trebuchets throwing corpses instead of stones DomA - 27/07/2011 01:03:51 AM 2169 Views
That's how I read it as well. Six trebuchets opening up. *NM* Michael - 11/08/2011 12:19:09 PM 1106 Views
Stannis ironclad - 21/07/2011 08:43:40 AM 2092 Views
It's entirely possible Stannis was killed Tom - 21/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 2161 Views
I highly doubt he's dead A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2011 07:29:59 PM 2144 Views
The bluff makes the most sense: if the Boltons beat Stannis, why does he ask for Theon & Jeyne? Cannoli - 22/07/2011 12:01:30 AM 2192 Views
Yeah... Urza - 22/07/2011 12:27:53 AM 2073 Views
The letter sounded like the ravings of a psychopath loosing control DomA - 27/07/2011 02:56:21 AM 2226 Views
The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Libby - 21/07/2011 10:43:43 PM 2171 Views
Re: The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Werthead - 22/07/2011 05:42:13 PM 2253 Views
Alternatively.. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM 2088 Views
Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? Tom - 22/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 2148 Views
None of them. Werthead - 22/07/2011 06:25:19 PM 2046 Views
Is that personal opinion or based on something Martin said? *NM* Tom - 22/07/2011 06:37:57 PM 1138 Views
Opinion Werthead - 22/07/2011 07:43:16 PM 2088 Views
Regardless of whether or not they actually get involved, their existence (or not) is signficant. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:17:48 AM 1952 Views
I think there are some god's, just given different names. Same with the magic. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:24:51 PM 2061 Views
Lose the apostrophe in the subject line. Then: on what basis do you assume this? Tom - 23/07/2011 02:28:49 AM 2109 Views
You might want to stop wasting time correcting others typos. As for the gods... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 04:53:59 AM 2001 Views
You might want to stop making them. Particularly glaring ones like that. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:01:03 AM 2177 Views
A typo can't be "glaring"... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 08:08:51 AM 2058 Views
Sure it can. Glaring: conspicuous or obvious. Tom - 23/07/2011 03:52:57 PM 2051 Views
Morality stems from god? A Deathwatch Guard - 22/07/2011 10:47:59 PM 2060 Views
Of course it does Tom - 23/07/2011 02:26:50 AM 2035 Views
On second thought, let's address the issue directly. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:14:59 AM 2160 Views
Perhaps... A Deathwatch Guard - 24/07/2011 07:03:24 PM 2066 Views
Its simple... Urza - 24/07/2011 07:37:11 PM 2080 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:10:04 AM 2121 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:44:41 AM 2005 Views
Re: Bullshit. fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:27:09 AM 1929 Views
The Seven probably has more power and influence than any other religion though. Werthead - 25/07/2011 07:51:59 PM 1948 Views
In Westeros, but I always got the feeling the Free Cities and other places didn't much care for them A Deathwatch Guard - 26/07/2011 10:53:45 PM 2097 Views
Westeros is the biggest coherent civilisation in the ASoIaF world. Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:56:21 AM 2124 Views
Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:54:05 AM 2088 Views
It's not an objective morality. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:41:33 AM 2042 Views
Its not that simple... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:21:39 AM 2098 Views
I don't disagree with most of what you said. I just reach a different conclusion. Tom - 25/07/2011 01:57:31 PM 2009 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 05:02:45 PM 2032 Views
How then do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Tim - 16/08/2011 01:43:18 PM 1895 Views
Re: Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? aragornital - 25/07/2011 02:24:07 PM 1963 Views
Whats the best new POV Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:14:05 AM 2095 Views
Barristan Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:23:20 PM 2049 Views
Didn't Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy also only have 2 POVs Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:56:57 PM 2144 Views
Agreed. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:33:11 PM 1185 Views
thirded. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:16:26 PM 1940 Views
Absolutely *NM* ironclad - 29/07/2011 02:31:54 AM 1251 Views
Things you missed till they were pointed out via others or via a reread Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:23:53 AM 2228 Views
A bit. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:32:32 PM 2187 Views
Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:46:54 PM 2143 Views
Re: Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:43:43 AM 2119 Views
Martin doesn't have to do anything Roland00 - 27/07/2011 01:33:36 AM 2162 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything DomA - 27/07/2011 04:38:19 AM 2017 Views
The crone who prophesied the stallion who mounts the world saw the stallions face Roland00 - 27/07/2011 05:13:28 AM 2170 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:58:55 AM 1938 Views
Re: DomA - 27/07/2011 04:27:18 AM 2167 Views
I like your theory. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:35:22 PM 2193 Views
Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:32:18 PM 2154 Views
Re: Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Roland00 - 27/07/2011 02:00:42 AM 2024 Views
Eh? Elaine - 29/07/2011 04:44:17 PM 2171 Views
This is complicated. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:43:15 PM 2387 Views
Wait...a woman crowned for beauty was the victorious mystery knight? Tom - 01/08/2011 03:00:49 AM 2058 Views
It is believed the Knight of the Laughing Tree is one of two people Roland00 - 01/08/2011 04:47:21 AM 2149 Views
Yup. Werthead - 02/08/2011 12:03:26 AM 1998 Views
Also... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:17:43 AM 2072 Views
And yet, my huge brain figures it out Elaine - 04/08/2011 04:20:06 PM 2076 Views
I've read this scene yesterday and I missed this... aragornital - 02/08/2011 07:55:35 AM 2075 Views
Allow me Elaine - 05/08/2011 02:14:15 PM 1962 Views
thanks *NM* aragornital - 07/08/2011 07:28:21 AM 1128 Views
I thought this was pretty clear HousealThor - 07/08/2011 05:18:54 PM 1982 Views
Hizdahr a Harpy? Innocent or Not? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:36:56 AM 2372 Views
Interesting idea. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:25:11 PM 2165 Views
Re: Interesting idea. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:25:02 PM 2094 Views
What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 04:13:27 PM 2089 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:49:52 AM 2295 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? DomA - 27/07/2011 03:49:18 AM 2244 Views
Re: A Dance with Dragons discussion thread jwk - 29/07/2011 01:42:57 AM 2277 Views
Okay. I suck. jwk - 29/07/2011 01:50:56 AM 2036 Views
Let me rephrase that... jwk - 29/07/2011 01:54:07 AM 2016 Views
Jon Snow is definitely Azor Ahai. Kotagg - 29/07/2011 07:31:17 PM 2620 Views
Hmm ironclad - 31/07/2011 01:52:03 PM 2508 Views
you are correct Jim - 31/07/2011 11:08:39 PM 2094 Views
Yup. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:49:34 PM 1952 Views
But Shireen is a dragon... fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 12:22:16 AM 2088 Views
I'm uncertain about that Larry - 01/08/2011 05:35:18 AM 2073 Views
True, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Werthead - 01/08/2011 11:42:29 PM 2352 Views
Where did he say that? fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:18:39 AM 2212 Views
In interviews Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:21:28 PM 2170 Views
A little thought about Jon... aragornital - 02/08/2011 08:02:34 AM 2230 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:22:22 PM 2167 Views
Am I the only one who thinks... The Doctor - 09/08/2011 05:16:46 PM 2193 Views
I think Martin's gonna stick to Bran being the only one who does that ironclad - 10/08/2011 09:25:12 AM 2267 Views
It's possible, the problem is Jon's warging skill isn't all that well developed. Libby - 10/08/2011 10:53:32 PM 2052 Views
Anyone have any thoughts as to the purpose of Arya's storyline? Chas - 14/08/2011 06:28:09 PM 2099 Views
She's being trained as an assassin, so the question is who is she going to kill? Werthead - 16/08/2011 01:43:12 AM 2021 Views
Jon? Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:59:03 PM 2076 Views
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