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She thinks both Werthead Send a noteboard - 18/07/2011 12:22:59 AM
upon seeing Bloodraven she immediately assumes he's the Great Other and the main bad guy and needs to be immolated, rather than a potential ally.

Doesn't she think its likely that Bloodraven is, in fact, one of the Great Other's minions?


She thinks Bloodraven is the Great Other, then later ponders that seeing the Great Other directly would kill her, so he might be a minion (and so might Bran).
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I'm still not fully done, but about the Reek chapters... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 04:05:29 PM 2310 Views
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There's another... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 07:16:11 PM 2112 Views
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Torture is wrong, and those chapters kinda proved it. *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:55 AM 1187 Views
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Alternatively.. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM 2154 Views
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Is that personal opinion or based on something Martin said? *NM* Tom - 22/07/2011 06:37:57 PM 1173 Views
Opinion Werthead - 22/07/2011 07:43:16 PM 2150 Views
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Lose the apostrophe in the subject line. Then: on what basis do you assume this? Tom - 23/07/2011 02:28:49 AM 2169 Views
You might want to stop wasting time correcting others typos. As for the gods... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 04:53:59 AM 2069 Views
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In Westeros, but I always got the feeling the Free Cities and other places didn't much care for them A Deathwatch Guard - 26/07/2011 10:53:45 PM 2155 Views
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Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:54:05 AM 2146 Views
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Its not that simple... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:21:39 AM 2171 Views
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Well... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 05:02:45 PM 2096 Views
How then do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Tim - 16/08/2011 01:43:18 PM 1969 Views
Re: Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? aragornital - 25/07/2011 02:24:07 PM 2032 Views
Whats the best new POV Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:14:05 AM 2167 Views
Barristan Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:23:20 PM 2117 Views
Didn't Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy also only have 2 POVs Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:56:57 PM 2220 Views
Agreed. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:33:11 PM 1218 Views
thirded. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:16:26 PM 2008 Views
Absolutely *NM* ironclad - 29/07/2011 02:31:54 AM 1288 Views
Things you missed till they were pointed out via others or via a reread Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:23:53 AM 2315 Views
A bit. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:32:32 PM 2249 Views
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The crone who prophesied the stallion who mounts the world saw the stallions face Roland00 - 27/07/2011 05:13:28 AM 2265 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:58:55 AM 2018 Views
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Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:32:18 PM 2225 Views
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Eh? Elaine - 29/07/2011 04:44:17 PM 2229 Views
This is complicated. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:43:15 PM 2455 Views
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Yup. Werthead - 02/08/2011 12:03:26 AM 2060 Views
Also... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:17:43 AM 2131 Views
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I've read this scene yesterday and I missed this... aragornital - 02/08/2011 07:55:35 AM 2160 Views
Allow me Elaine - 05/08/2011 02:14:15 PM 2031 Views
thanks *NM* aragornital - 07/08/2011 07:28:21 AM 1156 Views
I thought this was pretty clear HousealThor - 07/08/2011 05:18:54 PM 2046 Views
Hizdahr a Harpy? Innocent or Not? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:36:56 AM 2452 Views
Interesting idea. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:25:11 PM 2227 Views
Re: Interesting idea. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:25:02 PM 2166 Views
What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 04:13:27 PM 2160 Views
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Re: A Dance with Dragons discussion thread jwk - 29/07/2011 01:42:57 AM 2344 Views
Okay. I suck. jwk - 29/07/2011 01:50:56 AM 2102 Views
Let me rephrase that... jwk - 29/07/2011 01:54:07 AM 2089 Views
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Yup. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:49:34 PM 2026 Views
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I'm uncertain about that Larry - 01/08/2011 05:35:18 AM 2141 Views
True, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Werthead - 01/08/2011 11:42:29 PM 2416 Views
Where did he say that? fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:18:39 AM 2287 Views
In interviews Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:21:28 PM 2236 Views
A little thought about Jon... aragornital - 02/08/2011 08:02:34 AM 2301 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:22:22 PM 2236 Views
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Jon? Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:59:03 PM 2138 Views
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