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Alternatively.. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM
Aegon could be real, but is called the "Mummers Dragon" because he's a product of the mummer's (Varys) careful planning and upbringing. Varys seems clearly proud of how Aegon would be the best for the masses. Only thing is, Dany may end up being better.
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A Dance with Dragons discussion thread Legolas - 11/07/2011 10:48:23 PM 6154 Views
Okay, first impressions. Basically spoiler-free, I suppose. ironclad - 11/07/2011 11:40:31 PM 1699 Views
I have it! *NM* fionwe1987 - 12/07/2011 05:42:27 AM 921 Views
A general question to get the discussion started: will two more books be enough? RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 02:22:52 PM 1922 Views
A very good question *major spoilers, then* ironclad - 12/07/2011 02:55:05 PM 1892 Views
Oh, come on. If anyone can do it, Martin can. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:48:27 AM 1588 Views
It'll be tight. Werthead - 12/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 1892 Views
What does "resurrection-as-PWWP Jon" mean? Got it - Prince Who Was Promised! Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 08:59:44 PM 1779 Views
No but I think 3 will be possible Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:15:02 AM 1708 Views
what is Purple Wedding? *NM* aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:37:04 AM 818 Views
Joffrey and Margaery wedding Roland00 - 27/07/2011 04:26:04 PM 1745 Views
Hero of the book? Werthead - 12/07/2011 10:12:02 PM 2014 Views
Lord Manderly gets my vote. RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 10:41:19 PM 1838 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:43:20 PM 1703 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ClubCaved - 12/07/2011 11:50:29 PM 1707 Views
Ohh, so that was what that was about. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:08:19 PM 1710 Views
That's what I thought too. Jessie - 25/07/2011 01:48:50 AM 1731 Views
Victorian Greyjoy = Hero of the book *NM* Urza - 21/07/2011 06:20:25 AM 975 Views
Barristan should be renamed as Ser Grandfather, you do not mess with Ser Grandfather *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:32:09 AM 972 Views
Asshole of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:46:10 PM 1905 Views
Agreed. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:18:07 PM 1847 Views
Seconded. He'd probably make my short list of Assholes of the Series to date. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 11:25:04 PM 869 Views
Yeah, little doubt there. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:09:53 PM 1686 Views
Seriously... Urza - 18/07/2011 03:07:47 AM 1660 Views
Daenerys Targaryen & lifetime achievement award to Lord Rickard Stark Cannoli - 17/08/2011 12:38:40 AM 1618 Views
Idiot of the book. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 1944 Views
lol yep, definitely *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 08:12:42 AM 906 Views
Re: Idiot of the book. Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:42:20 AM 1776 Views
I think readers are being too hard on Quentyn, If anything I think Doran derserves more mocking. Libby - 17/07/2011 01:09:35 AM 2116 Views
Wait... no she doesn't! fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:29:52 AM 1710 Views
She thinks both Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:22:59 AM 1619 Views
So... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:18:24 PM 1658 Views
No, it's him. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:25:33 AM 1656 Views
Is there any hot sex scenes? I won't be able to read it for a while *NM* Dark Knight - 13/07/2011 02:35:49 PM 1012 Views
One or two, but not all that long ones *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 02:57:12 PM 962 Views
Great Ending ClubCaved - 14/07/2011 01:21:53 AM 1949 Views
Really? ironclad - 14/07/2011 09:36:01 AM 1865 Views
Re: Really? Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:38:34 AM 1548 Views
Re: Great Ending samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:05:00 AM 1669 Views
YES! Larry - 14/07/2011 02:38:48 AM 1517 Views
Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Stephen - 16/07/2011 07:27:43 PM 1667 Views
Re: Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:45:52 AM 1623 Views
I don't know what to think... (spoiler) aragornital - 14/07/2011 08:59:39 AM 1862 Views
Probably not. Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:19:03 AM 1859 Views
Re: Probably not. aragornital - 14/07/2011 03:57:55 PM 1693 Views
I think the two are mixed up. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:23:06 PM 1764 Views
Re: I think the two are mixed up. samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:10:29 AM 1606 Views
What made least sense for me as far as that is concerned... ironclad - 14/07/2011 11:51:20 AM 1737 Views
They didn't. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:24:53 PM 1784 Views
I see ironclad - 15/07/2011 08:28:09 AM 1697 Views
Didn't Jon just announced Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:51:07 AM 1664 Views
Something I totally missed first time through Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:40:33 AM 2045 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Cannoli - 16/07/2011 01:24:23 AM 1975 Views
Yep, that's what he said/thought A Deathwatch Guard - 17/07/2011 05:02:32 AM 1777 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Jessie - 23/07/2011 04:14:38 PM 1626 Views
Well that brings new meaning Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:18 AM 1553 Views
I'm still not fully done, but about the Reek chapters... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 04:05:29 PM 1784 Views
Agreed ironclad - 14/07/2011 06:18:15 PM 1790 Views
There's another... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 07:16:11 PM 1604 Views
There's that... Legolas - 17/07/2011 01:12:33 AM 1651 Views
It's worse than that... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:26:50 AM 1688 Views
Torture is wrong, and those chapters kinda proved it. *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:55 AM 906 Views
GRRM completely shit the bed on Jon's arc within this book. That's the truth. Libby - 16/07/2011 12:51:08 AM 1833 Views
Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Variant - 16/07/2011 08:11:30 AM 1791 Views
Re: Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Zaphod - 17/07/2011 01:02:10 AM 1723 Views
Personally, I felt 'A Feast for Crows' was not only better written but more condensed. Libby - 17/07/2011 11:15:58 AM 1773 Views
Summed up like that there is no way to disagree with what you said ironclad - 17/07/2011 11:33:01 AM 1758 Views
You put words to my thoughts exactly. Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:17:09 PM 1644 Views
It should be re-titled A Jump with Sharks Tom - 17/07/2011 06:00:37 PM 1827 Views
Publishers are more interested in the bottom line. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:31:56 AM 1620 Views
Sadly, I am likely overestimating the intelligence of the readers. Tom - 18/07/2011 03:05:12 AM 1833 Views
I felt bummed by Sanderson's new series. everynametaken - 18/07/2011 05:25:09 AM 1676 Views
I bought that book but have yet to read it. Tom - 18/07/2011 01:09:15 PM 1613 Views
Re: I bought that book but have yet to read it. Zach - 20/07/2011 06:45:46 AM 1649 Views
You might like this quote from House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. heartbreak - 11/08/2011 03:42:05 PM 1700 Views
I'm afraid I have to agree with what seems to be the majority opinion... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:35:47 PM 1734 Views
And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:39:15 PM 1671 Views
Re: And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:17:41 AM 1809 Views
Yeah, I agree. Stephen - 18/07/2011 05:59:58 PM 1722 Views
The book really shows it is AFFC part 2 Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:00:07 AM 1684 Views
No doubt, much like readers would've been more forgiving of aFfC if it'd been two years after SoS. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:28:43 PM 1713 Views
Am I The Only One In Love With Arya's Chapters? *spoilers maybe* samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:22:00 AM 1713 Views
I enjoyed them, very solid chapters. Libby - 18/07/2011 12:50:43 PM 1740 Views
Unlike others, I won't start a separate thread to express my thoughts Larry - 19/07/2011 11:21:17 AM 1830 Views
Yeah, I wished there was a way to move them in here! ironclad - 19/07/2011 01:42:51 PM 1594 Views
Me too... but going and complaining about them seems so lame, too. Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:34:47 PM 1593 Views
I agree with Jens, good balanced review. *NM* Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:50:13 PM 892 Views
I think you let him off too easily. Tom - 20/07/2011 04:19:07 AM 1735 Views
It might be that I expected even more of a longeur than what happened Larry - 20/07/2011 05:24:50 PM 1691 Views
Your review is a little too generous (in my opinion) Libby - 20/07/2011 06:57:45 AM 1902 Views
I find myself both depressed and let down... Zach - 20/07/2011 06:37:16 AM 1995 Views
Am I the only one who really likes... ironclad - 20/07/2011 06:04:00 PM 1792 Views
yeh, he is nice... *NM* aragornital - 20/07/2011 06:20:13 PM 888 Views
Davos is probably my favourite Stephen - 20/07/2011 09:51:03 PM 1525 Views
I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Variant - 21/07/2011 01:15:33 AM 1828 Views
Re: I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Timthetrolloc - 21/07/2011 09:33:00 AM 1662 Views
The six bodies fired by the trebuchet Stephen - 20/07/2011 10:36:16 PM 1701 Views
Yes, I was confused by that too. Legolas - 20/07/2011 10:53:35 PM 1610 Views
Probably pale mare victims. Seige warfare via plague Urza - 20/07/2011 11:23:10 PM 1674 Views
Yes, I considered that as well... Legolas - 20/07/2011 11:48:32 PM 1654 Views
Have Quentyn's two mates already been sent off a this point? ironclad - 21/07/2011 02:03:15 PM 1696 Views
That could be it. *NM* Stephen - 21/07/2011 01:43:16 PM 795 Views
It's not six bodies, it's six trebuchets throwing corpses instead of stones DomA - 27/07/2011 01:03:51 AM 1736 Views
That's how I read it as well. Six trebuchets opening up. *NM* Michael - 11/08/2011 12:19:09 PM 887 Views
Stannis ironclad - 21/07/2011 08:43:40 AM 1656 Views
It's entirely possible Stannis was killed Tom - 21/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 1748 Views
I highly doubt he's dead A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2011 07:29:59 PM 1682 Views
The bluff makes the most sense: if the Boltons beat Stannis, why does he ask for Theon & Jeyne? Cannoli - 22/07/2011 12:01:30 AM 1748 Views
Yeah... Urza - 22/07/2011 12:27:53 AM 1635 Views
The letter sounded like the ravings of a psychopath loosing control DomA - 27/07/2011 02:56:21 AM 1797 Views
The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Libby - 21/07/2011 10:43:43 PM 1747 Views
Re: The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Werthead - 22/07/2011 05:42:13 PM 1820 Views
Alternatively.. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM 1642 Views
Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? Tom - 22/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 1692 Views
None of them. Werthead - 22/07/2011 06:25:19 PM 1619 Views
Is that personal opinion or based on something Martin said? *NM* Tom - 22/07/2011 06:37:57 PM 890 Views
Opinion Werthead - 22/07/2011 07:43:16 PM 1636 Views
Regardless of whether or not they actually get involved, their existence (or not) is signficant. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:17:48 AM 1490 Views
I think there are some god's, just given different names. Same with the magic. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:24:51 PM 1623 Views
Lose the apostrophe in the subject line. Then: on what basis do you assume this? Tom - 23/07/2011 02:28:49 AM 1704 Views
You might want to stop wasting time correcting others typos. As for the gods... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 04:53:59 AM 1546 Views
You might want to stop making them. Particularly glaring ones like that. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:01:03 AM 1730 Views
A typo can't be "glaring"... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 08:08:51 AM 1606 Views
Sure it can. Glaring: conspicuous or obvious. Tom - 23/07/2011 03:52:57 PM 1614 Views
Morality stems from god? A Deathwatch Guard - 22/07/2011 10:47:59 PM 1618 Views
Of course it does Tom - 23/07/2011 02:26:50 AM 1608 Views
On second thought, let's address the issue directly. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:14:59 AM 1685 Views
Perhaps... A Deathwatch Guard - 24/07/2011 07:03:24 PM 1635 Views
Its simple... Urza - 24/07/2011 07:37:11 PM 1618 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:10:04 AM 1708 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:44:41 AM 1578 Views
Re: Bullshit. fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:27:09 AM 1489 Views
The Seven probably has more power and influence than any other religion though. Werthead - 25/07/2011 07:51:59 PM 1529 Views
In Westeros, but I always got the feeling the Free Cities and other places didn't much care for them A Deathwatch Guard - 26/07/2011 10:53:45 PM 1627 Views
Westeros is the biggest coherent civilisation in the ASoIaF world. Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:56:21 AM 1667 Views
Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:54:05 AM 1593 Views
It's not an objective morality. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:41:33 AM 1596 Views
Its not that simple... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:21:39 AM 1649 Views
I don't disagree with most of what you said. I just reach a different conclusion. Tom - 25/07/2011 01:57:31 PM 1588 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 05:02:45 PM 1585 Views
How then do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Tim - 16/08/2011 01:43:18 PM 1480 Views
Re: Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? aragornital - 25/07/2011 02:24:07 PM 1557 Views
Whats the best new POV Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:14:05 AM 1644 Views
Barristan Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:23:20 PM 1614 Views
Didn't Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy also only have 2 POVs Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:56:57 PM 1672 Views
Agreed. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:33:11 PM 924 Views
thirded. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:16:26 PM 1466 Views
Absolutely *NM* ironclad - 29/07/2011 02:31:54 AM 965 Views
Things you missed till they were pointed out via others or via a reread Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:23:53 AM 1801 Views
A bit. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:32:32 PM 1765 Views
Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:46:54 PM 1699 Views
Re: Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:43:43 AM 1615 Views
Martin doesn't have to do anything Roland00 - 27/07/2011 01:33:36 AM 1701 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything DomA - 27/07/2011 04:38:19 AM 1609 Views
The crone who prophesied the stallion who mounts the world saw the stallions face Roland00 - 27/07/2011 05:13:28 AM 1717 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:58:55 AM 1529 Views
Re: DomA - 27/07/2011 04:27:18 AM 1713 Views
I like your theory. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:35:22 PM 1707 Views
Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:32:18 PM 1701 Views
Re: Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Roland00 - 27/07/2011 02:00:42 AM 1620 Views
Eh? Elaine - 29/07/2011 04:44:17 PM 1718 Views
This is complicated. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:43:15 PM 1921 Views
Wait...a woman crowned for beauty was the victorious mystery knight? Tom - 01/08/2011 03:00:49 AM 1628 Views
It is believed the Knight of the Laughing Tree is one of two people Roland00 - 01/08/2011 04:47:21 AM 1663 Views
Yup. Werthead - 02/08/2011 12:03:26 AM 1562 Views
Also... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:17:43 AM 1660 Views
And yet, my huge brain figures it out Elaine - 04/08/2011 04:20:06 PM 1636 Views
I've read this scene yesterday and I missed this... aragornital - 02/08/2011 07:55:35 AM 1641 Views
Allow me Elaine - 05/08/2011 02:14:15 PM 1518 Views
thanks *NM* aragornital - 07/08/2011 07:28:21 AM 879 Views
I thought this was pretty clear HousealThor - 07/08/2011 05:18:54 PM 1537 Views
Hizdahr a Harpy? Innocent or Not? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:36:56 AM 1933 Views
Interesting idea. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:25:11 PM 1727 Views
Re: Interesting idea. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:25:02 PM 1641 Views
What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 04:13:27 PM 1656 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:49:52 AM 1846 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? DomA - 27/07/2011 03:49:18 AM 1765 Views
Re: A Dance with Dragons discussion thread jwk - 29/07/2011 01:42:57 AM 1771 Views
Okay. I suck. jwk - 29/07/2011 01:50:56 AM 1561 Views
Let me rephrase that... jwk - 29/07/2011 01:54:07 AM 1546 Views
Jon Snow is definitely Azor Ahai. Kotagg - 29/07/2011 07:31:17 PM 2169 Views
Hmm ironclad - 31/07/2011 01:52:03 PM 1906 Views
you are correct Jim - 31/07/2011 11:08:39 PM 1620 Views
Yup. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:49:34 PM 1488 Views
But Shireen is a dragon... fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 12:22:16 AM 1671 Views
I'm uncertain about that Larry - 01/08/2011 05:35:18 AM 1623 Views
True, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Werthead - 01/08/2011 11:42:29 PM 1907 Views
Where did he say that? fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:18:39 AM 1744 Views
In interviews Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:21:28 PM 1732 Views
A little thought about Jon... aragornital - 02/08/2011 08:02:34 AM 1800 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:22:22 PM 1716 Views
Am I the only one who thinks... The Doctor - 09/08/2011 05:16:46 PM 1724 Views
I think Martin's gonna stick to Bran being the only one who does that ironclad - 10/08/2011 09:25:12 AM 1654 Views
It's possible, the problem is Jon's warging skill isn't all that well developed. Libby - 10/08/2011 10:53:32 PM 1629 Views
Anyone have any thoughts as to the purpose of Arya's storyline? Chas - 14/08/2011 06:28:09 PM 1639 Views
She's being trained as an assassin, so the question is who is she going to kill? Werthead - 16/08/2011 01:43:12 AM 1563 Views
Jon? Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:59:03 PM 1610 Views
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