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Hmm ironclad Send a noteboard - 31/07/2011 01:52:03 PM
I know absolutely nothing about this prophecy or who AA is supposed to be, whose prophecy that is, etc. Apparently it's one of those things I just read and didn't care much about. So, from this ignorant point of view:

"When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone."

Why does this remind me of the funeral pyre that gave birth to Dany's dragons? Wasn't there a phenomenon in the sky at that point? Can't remember. Smoke = funeral pyre, salt = Dany's tears. Dragons out of stone = well, you get the idea.
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You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.
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A Dance with Dragons discussion thread Legolas - 11/07/2011 10:48:23 PM 6726 Views
Okay, first impressions. Basically spoiler-free, I suppose. ironclad - 11/07/2011 11:40:31 PM 2275 Views
I have it! *NM* fionwe1987 - 12/07/2011 05:42:27 AM 1233 Views
A general question to get the discussion started: will two more books be enough? RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 02:22:52 PM 2468 Views
A very good question *major spoilers, then* ironclad - 12/07/2011 02:55:05 PM 2436 Views
Oh, come on. If anyone can do it, Martin can. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:48:27 AM 2143 Views
It'll be tight. Werthead - 12/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 2474 Views
What does "resurrection-as-PWWP Jon" mean? Got it - Prince Who Was Promised! Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 08:59:44 PM 2355 Views
No but I think 3 will be possible Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:15:02 AM 2241 Views
what is Purple Wedding? *NM* aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:37:04 AM 1112 Views
Joffrey and Margaery wedding Roland00 - 27/07/2011 04:26:04 PM 2276 Views
Hero of the book? Werthead - 12/07/2011 10:12:02 PM 2575 Views
Lord Manderly gets my vote. RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 10:41:19 PM 2359 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:43:20 PM 2253 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ClubCaved - 12/07/2011 11:50:29 PM 2251 Views
Ohh, so that was what that was about. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:08:19 PM 2305 Views
That's what I thought too. Jessie - 25/07/2011 01:48:50 AM 2268 Views
Victorian Greyjoy = Hero of the book *NM* Urza - 21/07/2011 06:20:25 AM 1296 Views
Barristan should be renamed as Ser Grandfather, you do not mess with Ser Grandfather *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:32:09 AM 1302 Views
Asshole of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:46:10 PM 2450 Views
Agreed. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:18:07 PM 2402 Views
Seconded. He'd probably make my short list of Assholes of the Series to date. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 11:25:04 PM 1177 Views
Yeah, little doubt there. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:09:53 PM 2258 Views
Seriously... Urza - 18/07/2011 03:07:47 AM 2227 Views
Daenerys Targaryen & lifetime achievement award to Lord Rickard Stark Cannoli - 17/08/2011 12:38:40 AM 2171 Views
Idiot of the book. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 2483 Views
lol yep, definitely *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 08:12:42 AM 1229 Views
Re: Idiot of the book. Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:42:20 AM 2350 Views
I think readers are being too hard on Quentyn, If anything I think Doran derserves more mocking. Libby - 17/07/2011 01:09:35 AM 2642 Views
Wait... no she doesn't! fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:29:52 AM 2232 Views
She thinks both Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:22:59 AM 2173 Views
So... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:18:24 PM 2223 Views
No, it's him. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:25:33 AM 2262 Views
Is there any hot sex scenes? I won't be able to read it for a while *NM* Dark Knight - 13/07/2011 02:35:49 PM 1309 Views
One or two, but not all that long ones *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 02:57:12 PM 1268 Views
Great Ending ClubCaved - 14/07/2011 01:21:53 AM 2477 Views
Really? ironclad - 14/07/2011 09:36:01 AM 2415 Views
Re: Really? Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:38:34 AM 2063 Views
Re: Great Ending samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:05:00 AM 2208 Views
YES! Larry - 14/07/2011 02:38:48 AM 2033 Views
Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Stephen - 16/07/2011 07:27:43 PM 2206 Views
Re: Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:45:52 AM 2183 Views
I don't know what to think... (spoiler) aragornital - 14/07/2011 08:59:39 AM 2418 Views
Probably not. Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:19:03 AM 2382 Views
Re: Probably not. aragornital - 14/07/2011 03:57:55 PM 2235 Views
I think the two are mixed up. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:23:06 PM 2304 Views
Re: I think the two are mixed up. samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:10:29 AM 2135 Views
What made least sense for me as far as that is concerned... ironclad - 14/07/2011 11:51:20 AM 2295 Views
They didn't. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:24:53 PM 2337 Views
I see ironclad - 15/07/2011 08:28:09 AM 2254 Views
Didn't Jon just announced Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:51:07 AM 2178 Views
Something I totally missed first time through Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:40:33 AM 2611 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Cannoli - 16/07/2011 01:24:23 AM 2506 Views
Yep, that's what he said/thought A Deathwatch Guard - 17/07/2011 05:02:32 AM 2349 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Jessie - 23/07/2011 04:14:38 PM 2146 Views
Well that brings new meaning Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:18 AM 2110 Views
I'm still not fully done, but about the Reek chapters... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 04:05:29 PM 2339 Views
Agreed ironclad - 14/07/2011 06:18:15 PM 2334 Views
There's another... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 07:16:11 PM 2142 Views
There's that... Legolas - 17/07/2011 01:12:33 AM 2191 Views
It's worse than that... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:26:50 AM 2237 Views
Torture is wrong, and those chapters kinda proved it. *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:55 AM 1202 Views
GRRM completely shit the bed on Jon's arc within this book. That's the truth. Libby - 16/07/2011 12:51:08 AM 2392 Views
Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Variant - 16/07/2011 08:11:30 AM 2327 Views
Re: Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Zaphod - 17/07/2011 01:02:10 AM 2251 Views
Personally, I felt 'A Feast for Crows' was not only better written but more condensed. Libby - 17/07/2011 11:15:58 AM 2339 Views
Summed up like that there is no way to disagree with what you said ironclad - 17/07/2011 11:33:01 AM 2309 Views
You put words to my thoughts exactly. Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:17:09 PM 2206 Views
It should be re-titled A Jump with Sharks Tom - 17/07/2011 06:00:37 PM 2423 Views
Publishers are more interested in the bottom line. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:31:56 AM 2193 Views
Sadly, I am likely overestimating the intelligence of the readers. Tom - 18/07/2011 03:05:12 AM 2423 Views
I felt bummed by Sanderson's new series. everynametaken - 18/07/2011 05:25:09 AM 2325 Views
I bought that book but have yet to read it. Tom - 18/07/2011 01:09:15 PM 2153 Views
Re: I bought that book but have yet to read it. Zach - 20/07/2011 06:45:46 AM 2202 Views
You might like this quote from House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. heartbreak - 11/08/2011 03:42:05 PM 2426 Views
I'm afraid I have to agree with what seems to be the majority opinion... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:35:47 PM 2301 Views
And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:39:15 PM 2200 Views
Re: And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:17:41 AM 2382 Views
Yeah, I agree. Stephen - 18/07/2011 05:59:58 PM 2243 Views
The book really shows it is AFFC part 2 Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:00:07 AM 2235 Views
No doubt, much like readers would've been more forgiving of aFfC if it'd been two years after SoS. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:28:43 PM 2261 Views
Am I The Only One In Love With Arya's Chapters? *spoilers maybe* samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:22:00 AM 2245 Views
I enjoyed them, very solid chapters. Libby - 18/07/2011 12:50:43 PM 2351 Views
Unlike others, I won't start a separate thread to express my thoughts Larry - 19/07/2011 11:21:17 AM 2409 Views
Yeah, I wished there was a way to move them in here! ironclad - 19/07/2011 01:42:51 PM 2182 Views
Me too... but going and complaining about them seems so lame, too. Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:34:47 PM 2164 Views
I agree with Jens, good balanced review. *NM* Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:50:13 PM 1192 Views
I think you let him off too easily. Tom - 20/07/2011 04:19:07 AM 2288 Views
It might be that I expected even more of a longeur than what happened Larry - 20/07/2011 05:24:50 PM 2254 Views
Your review is a little too generous (in my opinion) Libby - 20/07/2011 06:57:45 AM 2482 Views
I find myself both depressed and let down... Zach - 20/07/2011 06:37:16 AM 2606 Views
Am I the only one who really likes... ironclad - 20/07/2011 06:04:00 PM 2387 Views
yeh, he is nice... *NM* aragornital - 20/07/2011 06:20:13 PM 1185 Views
Davos is probably my favourite Stephen - 20/07/2011 09:51:03 PM 2058 Views
I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Variant - 21/07/2011 01:15:33 AM 2356 Views
Re: I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Timthetrolloc - 21/07/2011 09:33:00 AM 2199 Views
The six bodies fired by the trebuchet Stephen - 20/07/2011 10:36:16 PM 2231 Views
Yes, I was confused by that too. Legolas - 20/07/2011 10:53:35 PM 2198 Views
Probably pale mare victims. Seige warfare via plague Urza - 20/07/2011 11:23:10 PM 2212 Views
Yes, I considered that as well... Legolas - 20/07/2011 11:48:32 PM 2176 Views
Have Quentyn's two mates already been sent off a this point? ironclad - 21/07/2011 02:03:15 PM 2255 Views
That could be it. *NM* Stephen - 21/07/2011 01:43:16 PM 1100 Views
It's not six bodies, it's six trebuchets throwing corpses instead of stones DomA - 27/07/2011 01:03:51 AM 2272 Views
That's how I read it as well. Six trebuchets opening up. *NM* Michael - 11/08/2011 12:19:09 PM 1162 Views
Stannis ironclad - 21/07/2011 08:43:40 AM 2192 Views
It's entirely possible Stannis was killed Tom - 21/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 2241 Views
I highly doubt he's dead A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2011 07:29:59 PM 2234 Views
The bluff makes the most sense: if the Boltons beat Stannis, why does he ask for Theon & Jeyne? Cannoli - 22/07/2011 12:01:30 AM 2274 Views
Yeah... Urza - 22/07/2011 12:27:53 AM 2160 Views
The letter sounded like the ravings of a psychopath loosing control DomA - 27/07/2011 02:56:21 AM 2328 Views
The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Libby - 21/07/2011 10:43:43 PM 2322 Views
Re: The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Werthead - 22/07/2011 05:42:13 PM 2354 Views
Alternatively.. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM 2182 Views
Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? Tom - 22/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 2243 Views
None of them. Werthead - 22/07/2011 06:25:19 PM 2137 Views
Is that personal opinion or based on something Martin said? *NM* Tom - 22/07/2011 06:37:57 PM 1192 Views
Opinion Werthead - 22/07/2011 07:43:16 PM 2180 Views
Regardless of whether or not they actually get involved, their existence (or not) is signficant. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:17:48 AM 2050 Views
I think there are some god's, just given different names. Same with the magic. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:24:51 PM 2158 Views
Lose the apostrophe in the subject line. Then: on what basis do you assume this? Tom - 23/07/2011 02:28:49 AM 2195 Views
You might want to stop wasting time correcting others typos. As for the gods... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 04:53:59 AM 2098 Views
You might want to stop making them. Particularly glaring ones like that. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:01:03 AM 2261 Views
A typo can't be "glaring"... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 08:08:51 AM 2159 Views
Sure it can. Glaring: conspicuous or obvious. Tom - 23/07/2011 03:52:57 PM 2155 Views
Morality stems from god? A Deathwatch Guard - 22/07/2011 10:47:59 PM 2151 Views
Of course it does Tom - 23/07/2011 02:26:50 AM 2131 Views
On second thought, let's address the issue directly. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:14:59 AM 2262 Views
Perhaps... A Deathwatch Guard - 24/07/2011 07:03:24 PM 2169 Views
Its simple... Urza - 24/07/2011 07:37:11 PM 2167 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:10:04 AM 2230 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:44:41 AM 2110 Views
Re: Bullshit. fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:27:09 AM 2022 Views
The Seven probably has more power and influence than any other religion though. Werthead - 25/07/2011 07:51:59 PM 2050 Views
In Westeros, but I always got the feeling the Free Cities and other places didn't much care for them A Deathwatch Guard - 26/07/2011 10:53:45 PM 2188 Views
Westeros is the biggest coherent civilisation in the ASoIaF world. Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:56:21 AM 2218 Views
Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:54:05 AM 2178 Views
It's not an objective morality. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:41:33 AM 2123 Views
Its not that simple... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:21:39 AM 2199 Views
I don't disagree with most of what you said. I just reach a different conclusion. Tom - 25/07/2011 01:57:31 PM 2101 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 05:02:45 PM 2121 Views
How then do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Tim - 16/08/2011 01:43:18 PM 1995 Views
Re: Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? aragornital - 25/07/2011 02:24:07 PM 2070 Views
Whats the best new POV Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:14:05 AM 2188 Views
Barristan Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:23:20 PM 2141 Views
Didn't Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy also only have 2 POVs Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:56:57 PM 2253 Views
Agreed. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:33:11 PM 1235 Views
thirded. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:16:26 PM 2034 Views
Absolutely *NM* ironclad - 29/07/2011 02:31:54 AM 1310 Views
Things you missed till they were pointed out via others or via a reread Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:23:53 AM 2342 Views
A bit. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:32:32 PM 2292 Views
Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:46:54 PM 2223 Views
Re: Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:43:43 AM 2227 Views
Martin doesn't have to do anything Roland00 - 27/07/2011 01:33:36 AM 2259 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything DomA - 27/07/2011 04:38:19 AM 2117 Views
The crone who prophesied the stallion who mounts the world saw the stallions face Roland00 - 27/07/2011 05:13:28 AM 2298 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:58:55 AM 2047 Views
Re: DomA - 27/07/2011 04:27:18 AM 2265 Views
I like your theory. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:35:22 PM 2284 Views
Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:32:18 PM 2250 Views
Re: Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Roland00 - 27/07/2011 02:00:42 AM 2120 Views
Eh? Elaine - 29/07/2011 04:44:17 PM 2261 Views
This is complicated. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:43:15 PM 2490 Views
Wait...a woman crowned for beauty was the victorious mystery knight? Tom - 01/08/2011 03:00:49 AM 2153 Views
It is believed the Knight of the Laughing Tree is one of two people Roland00 - 01/08/2011 04:47:21 AM 2246 Views
Yup. Werthead - 02/08/2011 12:03:26 AM 2088 Views
Also... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:17:43 AM 2162 Views
And yet, my huge brain figures it out Elaine - 04/08/2011 04:20:06 PM 2180 Views
I've read this scene yesterday and I missed this... aragornital - 02/08/2011 07:55:35 AM 2189 Views
Allow me Elaine - 05/08/2011 02:14:15 PM 2062 Views
thanks *NM* aragornital - 07/08/2011 07:28:21 AM 1168 Views
I thought this was pretty clear HousealThor - 07/08/2011 05:18:54 PM 2073 Views
Hizdahr a Harpy? Innocent or Not? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:36:56 AM 2483 Views
Interesting idea. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:25:11 PM 2253 Views
Re: Interesting idea. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:25:02 PM 2193 Views
What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 04:13:27 PM 2192 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:49:52 AM 2395 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? DomA - 27/07/2011 03:49:18 AM 2339 Views
Re: A Dance with Dragons discussion thread jwk - 29/07/2011 01:42:57 AM 2370 Views
Okay. I suck. jwk - 29/07/2011 01:50:56 AM 2134 Views
Let me rephrase that... jwk - 29/07/2011 01:54:07 AM 2122 Views
Jon Snow is definitely Azor Ahai. Kotagg - 29/07/2011 07:31:17 PM 2710 Views
Hmm ironclad - 31/07/2011 01:52:03 PM 2602 Views
you are correct Jim - 31/07/2011 11:08:39 PM 2200 Views
Yup. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:49:34 PM 2051 Views
But Shireen is a dragon... fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 12:22:16 AM 2189 Views
I'm uncertain about that Larry - 01/08/2011 05:35:18 AM 2171 Views
True, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Werthead - 01/08/2011 11:42:29 PM 2454 Views
Where did he say that? fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:18:39 AM 2309 Views
In interviews Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:21:28 PM 2267 Views
A little thought about Jon... aragornital - 02/08/2011 08:02:34 AM 2335 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:22:22 PM 2270 Views
Am I the only one who thinks... The Doctor - 09/08/2011 05:16:46 PM 2286 Views
I think Martin's gonna stick to Bran being the only one who does that ironclad - 10/08/2011 09:25:12 AM 2364 Views
It's possible, the problem is Jon's warging skill isn't all that well developed. Libby - 10/08/2011 10:53:32 PM 2156 Views
Anyone have any thoughts as to the purpose of Arya's storyline? Chas - 14/08/2011 06:28:09 PM 2204 Views
She's being trained as an assassin, so the question is who is she going to kill? Werthead - 16/08/2011 01:43:12 AM 2126 Views
Jon? Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:59:03 PM 2170 Views
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