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Re: Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen DomA Send a noteboard - 11/01/2010 03:49:15 PM
Umberto Eco a raison de le dire, Le Comte de Monte-Cristo est un grand roman mal écrit: "Monte-Cristo part en tous sens. Débordant de redondances, répétant éhontément un adjectif à une ligne d'écart, accumulant avec incontinence ces mêmes adjectifs, ouvrant de sententieuses digressions sans réussir à les fermer car la syntaxe ne suit pas, avançant ainsi en haletant par périodes de vingt lignes, le roman est mécanique et gauche dans la description des sentiments."

There's more, but I'm about to eat dinner. This should give a good sense of how he feels about the book, no?


That merely touches on the beginning of his demonstration that Monte Cristo is not a great work of literature, but it leaves out the more important parts of his thoughts on the novel in his Eloggio del Montecristo in "Supermen"(that can be applied to quite a few other "too long/badly written" series or novels that have a huge and dedicated following... I've seen this quoted in essays on "Bleak House" or Defoe, and recently about Harry Potter. I've used it myself in a discussion on Robert Jordan):

"Si Dumas avait été payé non pas à la ligne en plus mais à la ligne en moins, s'il avait fait court, Le Comte de Monte-Cristo serait-il encore cette fantastique machine romanesque qu'il est ? S'il était abrégé, si la condamnation, la fuite, la découverte du trésor, la réapparition à Paris, la vengeance ou plutôt les vengeances en chaîne, se passaient en l'espace de deux cents ou trois cents pages, l'oeuvre produirait-elle un effet identique, réussirait-elle à nous entraîner même là où, dans l'impatience de
savoir, on saute les pages et les descriptions (on les saute, mais on sait qu'elles sont là, on accélère subjectivement tout en sachant que le temps narratif est objectivement dilaté) ? Ainsi, on découvre que les horribles intempérances stylistiques sont, certes, des « chevilles », mais qu'elles ont une valeur structurale, comme les barres de graphite dans les réacteurs nucléaires, ralentissant le rythme pour rendre nos attentes plus lancinantes, nos prévisions plus hasardeuses. Le roman dumasien est une machine à produire de l'agonie, et ce n'est pas la qualité des râles qui compte, c'est bien leur longueur.

"Le Grand Meaulnes d'Alain-Fournier est sans doute mille fois mieux écrit que le Comte de Monte-Cristo, mais il alimente l'imagination et la sensibilité d'un petit nombre, il n'est pas immense comme Monte-Cristo, pas aussi homérique, il n'est pas destiné à nourrir avec une égale vigueur et une aussi longue durée l'imaginaire collectif. C'est seulement une oeuvre d'art. Monte-Cristo au contraire nous dit que, si raconter est un art, les règles de cet art sont différentes de celles des autres genres littéraires. Et que peut-être on peut raconter, et faire de la grande narrativité, sans pour autant créer ce que la sensibilité moderne appelle une oeuvre d'art.

Il est des épopées bancales, qui ne donnent point naissance à une oeuvre parfaite mais à un fleuve boueux. Si elles n'obéissent pas aux règles de l'esthétique, elles satisfont en tout cas à la fonction fabulatrice, laquelle n'est pas aussi directement liée à la fonction esthétique."

Eco has a complex love-hate relationship with this book:

"Le Comte de Monte Cristo est sans doute l’un des romans les plus passionants qui aient jamais été écrits, et c’est aussi l’un des romans les plus mal écrits de tous les temps et de toutes les littératures"
This message last edited by DomA on 11/01/2010 at 05:17:15 PM
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The Count of Monte Cristo was a terrible choice for a book discussion. - 09/01/2010 07:41:01 PM 1463 Views
Hey, now (copy/paste) - 09/01/2010 07:48:56 PM 1007 Views
People should think about these things before recommending books. - 09/01/2010 08:13:10 PM 1033 Views
Which is why I voted for Bulgakov's M & M. - 09/01/2010 10:56:00 PM 1096 Views
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I wanted to do that too. - 10/01/2010 01:24:42 AM 858 Views
It's bloody marvellous. *NM* - 10/01/2010 08:05:47 AM 413 Views
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You poopyhead! - 10/01/2010 01:19:11 AM 1049 Views
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Ooh...I'd love to hear them!!! What did Eco say to trash Dumas? *NM* - 10/01/2010 01:19:43 AM 357 Views
Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 10/01/2010 01:39:28 AM 1017 Views
I love it. Strangely enough, though, he wrote an introduction to the book. - 10/01/2010 01:54:24 AM 880 Views
Not really strange as Eco has long been fascinated by this book - 11/01/2010 05:01:56 PM 914 Views
Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:12:55 PM 796 Views
Re: Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:52:29 PM 1120 Views
I like Eco's distinction between light fiction and literature. - 12/01/2010 04:16:38 PM 1007 Views
Re: Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 11/01/2010 03:49:15 PM 1002 Views
That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 05:12:25 PM 831 Views
Re: That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 06:22:24 PM 1102 Views
I agree that abridging it would not work well. - 12/01/2010 04:06:26 PM 972 Views
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Discussed and put to rest in 5 minutes or less, perhaps. - 10/01/2010 01:17:02 AM 1015 Views
Depends on who you are, one would imagine. - 10/01/2010 08:16:11 AM 1077 Views
<pretentious>Well, why should we cater to the lowest common denominator? - 11/01/2010 02:17:03 AM 977 Views
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I have tried before. - 12/01/2010 01:59:24 PM 857 Views
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Har. *NM* - 18/01/2010 10:03:31 PM 512 Views
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Come on, there is lovely tragedy there... - 13/01/2010 07:32:49 PM 813 Views
I am pleased to be referenced in a cross-board discussion. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:29:45 PM 483 Views

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