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I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM
Please don't say to justify the war in Iraq if you cannot explain why they wouldn't have made some effort to link Iraq to the attack. I mean if they are going to be evil enough to have Americans killed to start a war you would think they would want a little better link to guy they want to go war with. Sorry but the nicest thing you can say about the idea the US was involved is that it is stupid.


I don't believe the US was directly involved in any way, shape, or form. I was just saying that the idea that they worked with bin Laden is more credible than the idea that government workers did all the dirty work themselves. I think they're both ridiculous ideas, but I was saying that I think one is more ridiculous than the other.

I think the administration at the time capitalized on it in order to achieve their goal of attacking Iraq, but there's no way they actually caused 9/11 themselves.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1377 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 916 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 952 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 872 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 868 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 995 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 933 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 949 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 837 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 1001 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 880 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 821 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 951 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 932 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 1026 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 904 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 1007 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 822 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 864 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 879 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 942 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 921 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 900 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 937 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 762 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 931 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 870 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 997 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 805 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 811 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 843 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 893 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 924 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 1010 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 944 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 896 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 944 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 887 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 913 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 972 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 946 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 868 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 897 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 914 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 995 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 987 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 943 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 850 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 925 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 867 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 1012 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 420 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 866 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 895 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 885 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 860 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 893 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 900 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 466 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1083 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 917 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 782 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 943 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 816 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 841 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 909 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 820 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 960 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 450 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 863 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 393 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1083 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 881 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1066 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 864 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 882 Views
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