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In addition: Nate Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM
The 2000 report contained the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor."

They didn't have anything to do with 9/11, but the event was the new Pearl Harbor for the neo-conservatives who were supporters and members of PNAC, allowing them to advance the process of working toward their military/political goals, starting with Iraq.

Signatories to PNAC's statement of principles included not only Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, but Cheney and Jeb Bush. In all, 18 PNAC members became part of the Bush administration.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1327 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 876 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 901 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 828 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 832 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 947 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 880 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 902 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 776 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 944 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 835 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 776 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 907 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 889 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 973 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 858 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 952 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 769 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 810 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 834 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 891 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 873 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 856 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 882 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 722 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 873 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 824 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 930 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 763 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 763 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 791 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 850 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 875 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 956 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 904 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 853 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 888 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 835 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 860 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 930 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 906 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 830 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 851 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 868 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 947 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 934 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 901 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 793 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 863 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 828 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 942 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 394 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 823 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 839 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 839 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 815 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 854 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 833 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 434 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1037 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 874 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 733 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 898 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 762 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 796 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 860 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 779 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 917 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 426 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 794 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 368 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1037 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 840 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1006 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 811 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 842 Views
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