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Do you think it would help? aerocontrols Send a noteboard - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM
It seems that people have more and more difficulty with logic these days. I just interacted with a Facebook friend who posted a Zeitgeist-style montage about September 11 that uses inductive reasoning to lead the viewer to infer that 9/11 was an inside job. Yes, we've heard this rubbish before.

The interesting thing is that there was not one positive fact to support what the video was implying. It was just a string of false statements, mischaracterizations and warping of the truth to present a skewed view of what happened. "Are we really supposed to believe 19 guys with boxcutters led by a dialysis patient in a cave managed to..." is how it starts.


On the margins, people would generally be better off if they've received some sort of logic class, no doubt, but a high-school level logic class would be very simple, it would withdraw resources from other classes, and it probably would not have helped your Facebook friend. We have reading and math classes, and many people still read and add no better than 3rd graders.

Not everything is fixable.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1401 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 935 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 972 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 895 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 885 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 1016 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 948 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 972 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 854 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 1020 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 897 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 833 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 971 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 957 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 1044 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 932 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 1023 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 834 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 884 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 898 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 967 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 936 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 920 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 967 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 781 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 952 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 890 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 1016 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 821 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 827 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 860 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 906 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 944 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 1028 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 965 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 914 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 965 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 905 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 930 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 993 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 970 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 886 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 914 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 929 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 1014 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 1006 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 958 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 867 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 943 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 892 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 1034 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 427 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 888 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 919 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 898 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 882 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 909 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 919 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 474 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1100 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 930 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 803 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 961 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 835 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 852 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 930 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 844 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 976 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 458 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 883 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 402 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1108 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 902 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1088 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 881 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 901 Views
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