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I've always seen them as separate. Nate Send a noteboard - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM
The president is the administration. The president sets the goals of the administration and if you want to claim an administration had a goal you need to show it was a gaol of the president. If you are simply referring to some members of the presidents staff you need to say that. You can't make blanket statements about the administration that don't include the president, sorry. The president is the administration.


The President, and that President's administration, the people around him in the high positions, the people he chooses and approves of. One makes the overall decisions, the other does the day to day high level administration work and recommends courses of action for their boss.

We obviously see the Iraq thing in different ways. I find your refusal to believe that there was a definite will to do something about Iraq, a will that capitalized on the post-9/11 national feeling to achieve its goals, just as BS as you find my acceptance of it.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1404 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 938 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 974 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 897 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 889 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 1016 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 950 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 972 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 857 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 1022 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 897 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 835 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 972 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 958 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 1044 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 932 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 1023 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 835 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 887 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 902 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 969 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 938 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 923 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 969 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 783 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 954 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 891 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 1020 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 822 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 827 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 861 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 907 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 946 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 1028 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 965 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 914 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 969 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 905 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 931 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 997 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 972 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 888 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 916 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 929 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 1018 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 1007 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 960 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 871 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 947 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 894 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 1034 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 427 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 889 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 922 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 898 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 885 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 911 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 919 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 474 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1103 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 931 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 806 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 962 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 838 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 854 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 930 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 846 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 977 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 458 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 884 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 402 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1110 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 904 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1090 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 881 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 901 Views
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