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More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. Joel Send a noteboard - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM
If people really want to be offended though they should be offended by the fact that we spend twice the much money on breast cancer research as we do on prostate cancer even though close to the same number of people die from both. But that is another debate of course.

Is it? In a way, I think that is THE issue here:

The core issue is whether Americans should spend money empowering people when some will use that empowerment in ways those funding it dislike.

That is bigger than Komen (gee, an organization created and run by a politician got political; what are the odds? :rolleyes:) or Planned Parenthood. Neither were factors in the SC GOP primary, but abortion coverage by the (supposedly) taxpayer funded MA healthcare law written by (supposedly) Pro Life Gov. Romney was pivotal.

We must not spend public funds ensuring everyone education, because they will learn about evolution.

We must not spend public funds ensuring everyone sex education, because they will learn about condoms (or even abortion.)

We must not spend public funds fighting an African AIDS epidemic killing tens of millions, because that would include sex education, and thus the above objections.

We must not spend public funds ensuring all children health insurance, because some people will use it to become welfare queens instead of getting a job.

And, of course, we must not spend money on public healthcare, because some people will have abortions.

The Komen Foundation (rechristened a few years ago as "Race for the Cure," as if only one fatal disease requires a cure) is only a tiny aspect of that. It is a private organization free to pick and choose which healthcare to endorse OR OPPOSE. The more it deviates from general healthcare advocacy to take sides in the "culture wars" the more its healthcare advocacy will suffer, but it is free to make that choice. In some ways that would make more sense than an all male NFL more concerned with breast cancer than with prostate cancer (though men are not immune to breast cancer.)

The deeper issue this highlights is whether people should make accepting their entire political agenda a condition of aid for vital needs. Your aunt had the luxury of loving Komen and hating Planned Parenthood (even if that luxury rested, until now, entirely on ignorance.) Komen has the same luxury, because they explicitly made breast cancer their sole priority. The healthcare profession lacks that luxury, just as educators cannot avoid teaching facts those funding them dislike.

If we sincerely wish to empower people to live freely, we must do just that, knowing "freedom" includes freedom to make choices we dislike. I am not optimistic most Americans will soon realize, let alone accept, that, since we routinely endorse toppling whole governments if their citizens "vote wrong" in free elections.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2440 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1310 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1187 Views
I can understand it though. - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1279 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1192 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1192 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1158 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1269 Views
That is a little unfair. - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1490 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1244 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1168 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1164 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1208 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1184 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1251 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1336 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1244 Views
Oh please. - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1195 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 1067 Views
Quite a telling reply. - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 1170 Views
Re: I quite agree. - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1363 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1186 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1247 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1509 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1264 Views
You continue to miss the point. - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1352 Views
Well, yes. - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1274 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1177 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1281 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1176 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 699 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1343 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1197 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 1030 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1219 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1160 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1289 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1392 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1235 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1260 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1349 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1243 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1566 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1220 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1471 Views
There are problems with the implants - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1231 Views
You have a talent for understatement. - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1236 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1369 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 1157 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1203 Views
Right - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1263 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1177 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 1100 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1225 Views
I know I'm not always clear. - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1195 Views
Just curious... - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1166 Views
Not at all. - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1225 Views
Not at all? - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 1141 Views
No. - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 1068 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1169 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1166 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1152 Views
Ooor, the best. - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 1137 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 687 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 640 Views
rabble rouser *NM* - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 710 Views
I misread this at first - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1181 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2228 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 1114 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1187 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 1132 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1239 Views
You don't know stuff. - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1225 Views
I know the stuff that matters. - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 1108 Views
That's true. - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1221 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1255 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1302 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1251 Views
Must be nice. *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 728 Views
Re: stuff - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 1117 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1172 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1256 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 1107 Views
Fair enough. - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1260 Views
They restored funding incidentally - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 1135 Views
Unless I've missed it - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1187 Views
You must have missed it then - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 1136 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1288 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1168 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1210 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1390 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1232 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1189 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1308 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 1126 Views
Truth - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1203 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 1115 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1277 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 1130 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1204 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1232 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 1152 Views
Dude. - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 1040 Views
Yo mama? - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1230 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1217 Views
Why would I not think that? - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 1066 Views

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