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http://web.archive.org/web/20110722021033/http://eileen.250x.com/Main/Einstein/Brain_Waves.htm
http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/294/8/947.full

The first link debunks the myth and the bad citations which continue to be used in support of it. The second link gives an actual scientific discussion of fetal brain development.

From there we are reduced to debating whether and when that EEG measured brain function qualifies as "brainwaves." So, brain waves at 8 weeks, with considerable debate over whether they qualify as brainwaves, all of which is just a recap of what I already said. The only new wrinkle is we are now debating whether brainwaves even CAN be defined, despite their being the standard for when life ENDS (which, as the article notes, was the focus of both the first two citations of when brain activity commences.) "But a bigger problem is that" Sykes "was writing another personal essay, not reporting" her "own research," which, according to her article, means such essays should be ignored. I will stop short of making that proof of dishonesty, as she repeatedly does; it is just plain old sincere bias. ;)


The quote in the title of your post is basically entirely fabricated, the result of no actual research. Making a false statement and then listing citations which don't actually support it is not the same as directly linking to and quoting from the citations. Claiming that the former is reliable while the latter is biased is, quite frankly, bullshit.

We're not debating if brainwaves can be defined; they are very clearly defined, the "pro-lifers" just tend to ignore those definitions.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2570 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1429 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1307 Views
I can understand it though. - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1393 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1325 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1305 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1280 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1384 Views
That is a little unfair. - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1640 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1380 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1270 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1290 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1317 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1296 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1384 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1449 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1377 Views
Oh please. - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1330 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 1199 Views
Quite a telling reply. - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 1303 Views
Re: I quite agree. - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1482 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1312 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1345 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1632 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1389 Views
You continue to miss the point. - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1476 Views
Well, yes. - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1414 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1285 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1401 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1287 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 760 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1455 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1315 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 1142 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1340 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1277 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1412 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1516 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1366 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1372 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1465 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1361 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1690 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1359 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1588 Views
There are problems with the implants - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1347 Views
You have a talent for understatement. - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1359 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1510 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 1287 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1329 Views
Right - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1376 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1297 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 1213 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1369 Views
I know I'm not always clear. - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1309 Views
Just curious... - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1300 Views
Not at all. - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1336 Views
Not at all? - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 1253 Views
No. - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 1187 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1270 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1278 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1274 Views
Ooor, the best. - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 1252 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 761 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 697 Views
rabble rouser *NM* - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 766 Views
I misread this at first - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1290 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2337 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 1241 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1299 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 1271 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1349 Views
You don't know stuff. - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1336 Views
I know the stuff that matters. - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 1225 Views
That's true. - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1340 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1387 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1416 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1354 Views
Must be nice. *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 781 Views
Re: stuff - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 1232 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1293 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1381 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 1236 Views
Fair enough. - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1380 Views
They restored funding incidentally - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 1276 Views
Unless I've missed it - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1316 Views
You must have missed it then - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 1260 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1422 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1280 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1320 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1514 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1345 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1304 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1411 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 1259 Views
Truth - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1315 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 1238 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1420 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 1245 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1323 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1358 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 1269 Views
Dude. - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 1163 Views
Yo mama? - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1344 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1326 Views
Why would I not think that? - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 1179 Views

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