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Won't someone please think of the children?! Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM
Abstinence-only "sex ed" doesn't work. Teenagers are going to have sex no matter what they're told by adults, so the choice is to give them good information or not. Giving them no information about birth control (or false information, as many abstinence-only programs have been found to do) just leaves them unprepared. That generally affects them through their adult years, as well.

(Sexual consent laws are not nearly as uniform as you claim, either. Laws defining appropriate age ranges for sexual conduct for minors, e.g. it's okay for a 16-year-old to have sex with a 17-year-old but not a 40-year-old, are not uncommon. This is utterly tangential to the actual point, though.)

If the "pro-life" movement realistically wanted to eliminate abortion, they would fund research into improving things like Implanon so that everyone would get an implant when they turned X (12, 14, 16, whatever) and no one could get pregnant or get someone pregnant unintentionally. That is a solution that actually acknowledges reality and works within it. Railing against Planned Parenthood and "marching for life" are not solutions.

(The BBC article you cite about failures of Implanon does not contradict my statement that it has a sub-1% failure rate. (600+1600)/4100000 = 0.05%. No other birth control on the market does that well. Yes, it has side effects; all hormonal treatments do. Also, the implantation problem has been corrected with the updated version, called Nexplanon.)

The "pro-life" movement ultimately stems from the feeling, generally religiously inspired, that pregnancy must be a necessary consequence of sex. The idea that we could separate the two is what most of the movement actually opposes. Women who have sex out of wedlock should be punished by having to carry the pregnancy to term. Those are the oppressive sexual mores to which I referred. (Interpreting that as "locking up your kids"-style oppression was not a high point of your reply.)

If they really felt that a single-celled zygote is morally equivalent to a person and abortion is murder, they would not act they way they do. Murder is a more important issue than birth control or teenage sex. Also, most pregnancies end in miscarriage, without the woman even knowing she was pregnant; a "pro-lifer" ought to see this as an epidemic. I have almost never encountered any who realize this, let alone try to do anything about it. (Every once in a while, some state legislator ends up trying to criminalize miscarriages, and quickly gets eaten alive in the public eye.)

I'll try to keep an eye out for your NB.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2132 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 995 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 935 Views
I can understand it though. - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 985 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 906 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 913 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 881 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 952 Views
That is a little unfair. - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1157 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 965 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 907 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 869 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 903 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 904 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 929 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1040 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 939 Views
Oh please. - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 907 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 797 Views
Quite a telling reply. - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 854 Views
Re: I quite agree. - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1034 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 910 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 934 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1151 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 952 Views
You continue to miss the point. - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1041 Views
Well, yes. - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 965 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 908 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1002 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 901 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 543 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 991 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 888 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 744 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 908 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 885 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 978 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1059 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 942 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 974 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1029 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 961 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1243 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 899 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1159 Views
There are problems with the implants - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 933 Views
You have a talent for understatement. - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 920 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1041 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 838 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 913 Views
Right - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 953 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 924 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 827 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 901 Views
I know I'm not always clear. - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 911 Views
Just curious... - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 881 Views
Not at all. - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 935 Views
Not at all? - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 854 Views
No. - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 804 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 903 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 901 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 841 Views
Ooor, the best. - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 834 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 559 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 508 Views
rabble rouser *NM* - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 522 Views
I misread this at first - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 903 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 1941 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 833 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 899 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 854 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 977 Views
You don't know stuff. - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 936 Views
I know the stuff that matters. - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 840 Views
That's true. - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 917 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 978 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 998 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 950 Views
Must be nice. *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 616 Views
Re: stuff - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 859 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 871 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 899 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 855 Views
Fair enough. - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 903 Views
They restored funding incidentally - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 824 Views
Unless I've missed it - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 921 Views
You must have missed it then - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 841 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 979 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 866 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 888 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1088 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 923 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 878 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1029 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 836 Views
Truth - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 936 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 829 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 957 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 869 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 873 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 926 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 821 Views
Dude. - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 777 Views
Yo mama? - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 929 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 899 Views
Why would I not think that? - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 817 Views

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