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Judge for yourself Isaac Send a noteboard - 04/02/2012 12:01:06 AM
Dear Ambassador Brinker,
We write to express our disappointment with Susan G. Komen for the Cure’s decision to cut funding for breast cancer prevention, screening, and education at Planned Parenthood health centers. This troubling decision threatens to reduce access to necessary, life-saving services. We urge Komen to reconsider its decision.
Planned Parenthood is a trusted provider of health care for women and men. More than 90 percent of the services provided by Planned Parenthood are primary and preventative including wellness exams and cancers screenings that save lives. Each year, Planned Parenthood health clinics provide 750,000 breast exams, 770,000 pap tests and nearly 4 million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted diseases. Twenty percent of all women in the U.S. have visited a Planned Parenthood health center.
For the past five years, grants to local affiliates of Planned Parenthood have been an important part of Planned Parenthood’s work to protect women from breast cancer. Komen funding for Planned Parenthood has provided nearly 170,000 clinical breast exams and resulted in 6,400 referrals for mammograms. In 2011 alone, grants from Komen provided Planned Parenthood with roughly $650,000 in funding for breast cancer prevention, screening, and education. According to a recent statement by Komen, “In some areas of the U.S., our affiliates have determined a Planned Parenthood clinic to be the best or only local place where women can receive breast health care.”
It would be tragic if any woman —let alone thousands of women — lost access to these potentially life-saving screenings because of a politically motivated attack.
We earnestly hope that you will put women’s health before partisan politics and reconsider this decision for the sake of the women who depend on both your organizations for access to the health care they need.

The letter is signed by Senators Lautenberg, Murray, Mikulski, Boxer, Cantwell, Gillibrand, Menendez, Wyden, Blumenthal, Shaheen, Begich, merkley, Tester, Akaka, Sanders, (Sherrod) Brown, Leahy, Baucus, Cardin, Feinstein, Franken, and Kerry.


Emphasis mine on 'partisan politics' because I find that horribly ironic in a letter signed by members of only one party.

Obviously the content of the deliberately public letter contains no threatening or inappropriate language, and I think we can skip formal analysis of it. I'm quite sure most of the signatories are speaking honestly and passionately here anyway, my issue is with them sending it at all.

Trying to appease all sides is usually a spectacular failure; one would have thought Obama had proven that (as big a football fan as he supposedly is one would have thought someone told him to dance with the one who brung him; oh, well.) At this point, their best bet is probably to shut up for a while and let things die down a bit before any more statements, since anything and everything they say now will just make it worse. The rule, though it can be demanding of ones discipline, is that when in a hole one should STOP DIGGING.


One can usually rely on someone grabbing a shovel anyway :P

Maybe I am cutting it too finely, but it makes a difference to me whether they used stamps or franking privileges. Senators should be allowed personal feelings and personal appeals apart from their offices so long as they do not involve the office. It sounds like these did, which would make it political pressure; not sure though.


I'm not accusing them of anything illegal here, even on the off chance someone violated one of the various arcane rules. I'm not questioning their intent either. It is political pressure, and its directed at a private charity. I don't want throw too much mud but imagine if a major Rape charity cut funding to self-defense courses because the local dojo also ran a pistol range. I'd think it pretty screwed up if half the GOP senators wrote a public letter to them, and I'm pretty sure media reaction would be negative.

Nature of the beast, but Komen set themselves up for it. Again, we should not pretend the decision happened in a vacuum. Also once again, I am forced to wonder why Komen bothered funding cancer screenings at Planned Parenthood in the first place since it seems to have made this day inevitable. Perhaps it was not inevitable from the start, but a certain small but vocal element within a certain political party made it so due to that partys connections with Komens founder. In that event, I am back to my last response to rt: However this ends, whether it was a political matter was decided the moment Komen made their first announcement (and the subsequent one you linked pretty much says that outright, without stating specific causes.)


I won't deny Komen played a role in their own current mess, I'm just expressing generalized bitterness and cynicism about how good causes get hijacked, worsened by the fact that from a realistic perspective its often the best thing for the cause. I've no real fingers to point at anyone, this is just a dumb thing which happened.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2623 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1477 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1348 Views
I can understand it though. - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1440 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1371 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1354 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1346 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1431 Views
That is a little unfair. - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1694 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1420 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1317 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1326 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1370 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1353 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1434 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1488 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1424 Views
Oh please. - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1372 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 1253 Views
Quite a telling reply. - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 1353 Views
Re: I quite agree. - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1538 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1363 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1387 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1685 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1434 Views
You continue to miss the point. - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1521 Views
Well, yes. - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1457 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1328 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1445 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1328 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 788 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1497 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1359 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 1189 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1382 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1319 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1460 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1569 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1419 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1420 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1511 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1404 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1729 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1396 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1627 Views
There are problems with the implants - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1399 Views
You have a talent for understatement. - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1414 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1544 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 1326 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1367 Views
Right - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1425 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1332 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 1257 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1427 Views
I know I'm not always clear. - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1348 Views
Just curious... - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1340 Views
Not at all. - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1375 Views
Not at all? - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 1291 Views
No. - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 1229 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1311 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1326 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1312 Views
Ooor, the best. - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 1294 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 786 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 724 Views
rabble rouser *NM* - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 795 Views
I misread this at first - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1336 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2383 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 1285 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1362 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 1341 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1408 Views
You don't know stuff. - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1388 Views
I know the stuff that matters. - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 1267 Views
That's true. - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1390 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1432 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1455 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1399 Views
Must be nice. *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 803 Views
Re: stuff - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 1268 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1341 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1433 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 1271 Views
Fair enough. - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1431 Views
They restored funding incidentally - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 1329 Views
Unless I've missed it - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1368 Views
You must have missed it then - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 1315 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1465 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1319 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1363 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1558 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1410 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1350 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1457 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 1304 Views
Truth - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1348 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 1284 Views
Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort - 03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM 1350 Views
Well, if they wrote AS senators rather than friends of Nancy Brinker, that probably qualifies. - 03/02/2012 10:24:11 PM 1395 Views
Judge for yourself - 04/02/2012 12:01:06 AM 1420 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1459 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 1285 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1370 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1414 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 1315 Views
Dude. - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 1202 Views
Yo mama? - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1386 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1371 Views
Why would I not think that? - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 1228 Views

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