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Some people did "lie big". Tom Send a noteboard - 24/09/2012 02:11:58 PM
Whoever wrote the letters supposedly written by "Paul" that made their way into the New Testament before someone said, "Hey, wait, Paul wrote in Greek a lot better than this!" went for the big guns. There is a also Gnostic Gospel of Peter, of James, of Philip...the list goes on.

However, you seem to be disregarding the entire second paragraph of what I wrote. The gospels circulated anonymously for some time, and when people started putting names on them to attribute them to someone, they based it on their understanding of who wrote the book, rather than intentionally lie to increase the book's popularity. The text was already accepted, and there was likely an oral tradition about who might have written it. The oral traditions around the four canonical gospels determined their attribution, and the same is likely true of Thomas and a few of the earlier Gnostic works.

Some of the later attributions might be the result of competition and lying, but of the canonical gospels Matthew might have gotten its name in the same way, given the late date of its attribution. The people who stuck the name on top might even have wanted to use someone else's name, but that name was already taken.
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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There is a very good reason no one dismissed the illegitmate gospels as illegitimate until 180 AD: - 20/09/2012 09:15:05 PM 854 Views
The Gospel of Thomas was written before 180 AD. - 20/09/2012 09:33:44 PM 845 Views
What is the oldest extant text of or reference to it? - 20/09/2012 11:11:03 PM 918 Views
The Oxyrhynchus fragments were dated to c. 200 AD, and they are copies - 21/09/2012 12:18:33 AM 837 Views
I would buy 200 AD, of course. - 21/09/2012 12:58:32 AM 899 Views
It's not about "buying" it - it's essentially proven at that point. - 21/09/2012 03:26:50 AM 870 Views
Yes; all I meant was that I never disputed a date around 200 AD. - 22/09/2012 12:25:41 AM 889 Views
I don't think any of the gospels were written by their purported authors. - 22/09/2012 03:36:32 AM 801 Views
Not even Mark or Luke? - 22/09/2012 01:21:24 PM 847 Views
Well, but everyone knew Peter didn't speak Greek - 22/09/2012 09:46:57 PM 788 Views
True, but everyone also knew Paul spoke it fluently, and he would have been an ideal choice. - 24/09/2012 06:20:22 AM 851 Views
Some people did "lie big". - 24/09/2012 02:11:58 PM 875 Views
What about those who postulate a mid-to-late 1st century composition? - 22/09/2012 02:21:18 AM 912 Views
Elaine Pagels ceased to be an impartial academic a long time ago. - 22/09/2012 03:41:41 AM 871 Views
Suspected as much, but wanted to see if you thought so as well - 22/09/2012 03:47:05 AM 1011 Views
Let's not get started on Funk - 22/09/2012 09:48:05 PM 806 Views
So true - 22/09/2012 10:23:08 PM 910 Views
don't these people have anything better to do? - 20/09/2012 11:39:35 PM 910 Views
Clearly not. - 22/09/2012 12:27:29 AM 746 Views
then i'll escape this thread before anyone twigs - 22/09/2012 08:12:37 PM 982 Views
Too late, I have already twigged, branched and treed. - 22/09/2012 08:58:39 PM 891 Views
I know! - 21/09/2012 06:48:33 AM 1097 Views
See, Tom, you made a mistake. - 22/09/2012 10:25:22 AM 878 Views

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