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I think this guy lives on the moon Isaac Send a noteboard - 23/02/2010 02:51:20 PM
Probably the first clue was the massive and essentially unnecessary vicious sidebar on Palin. I think something worth noting is that Buchanan, who basically opposes just about ever war the US has gotten into the last few decades, very explicitly talked about how the administration might use this tactic. His written two articles on it recently, so has Pipes. I've reviewed Palin's interview and it could me a misquote, but she could just has easily have been referring to Buchan's article 'will Obama play the War Card', since both Pipes's and Buchanan's articles point out the potential political upside of that for the current administration. Considering the context of Palin's comment (video of which is linked below) I think Buchanan's "And should war come, that would be the end of GOP dreams of adding three-dozen seats in the House and half a dozen in the Senate." could just as easily be what Palin was referring to. So preface all of the author's commentary with the initial bit that he needless raised a mistake, then rubbed it all over the place in a vicious and cynical fashion, that could very well not have been a mistake.

Dan Pipes articles:
http://www.danielpipes.org/7921/bomb-iran-save-obama-presidency

http://www.danielpipes.org/7940/sarah-palin-endorses-bomb-iran

Pat Buchanan's articles:
http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2010/02/04/will-obama-play-the-war-card/

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35645

That's the one by Buchanan, note the jaded cynicism he displays toward the idea we might attack Iran, for those who don't know him very well, he frequently attacked Bush over Iraq (Both Bush's, both wars) and Clinton over Kosovo, Somalia, the various cruise missile strikes, etc. This does not mean he is unaware of the potential political advantages of it, since that is basically the source of his cynicism on american foreign policy to begin with.

Here's the Palin video clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca-oCxLd_Hc

Maybe she did mean Pipes, who knows, both wrote articles devoted to pointing out the potential political advantages to the current administration of bombing Iran, so I'm not sure why even in the worst light this would be a gaffe.

All right, moving along to his other points.

Iran, we're told, is different. The country cannot be deterred by America's vast arsenal of nukes because it is run by a bunch of mystic mullahs who aren't rational, embrace death and have millenarian fantasies. But this isn't and never was an accurate description of Iran's canny (and ruthlessly pragmatic) clerical elite.


Considering the government of Iran has publicly espoused genocide and denied the holocaust, the best that might be said of them ethically is they might truly believe in such stuff. People who, in the name of ruthless pragmatism, are willing to rile people up on genocide are certainly just as likely as true believers to be willing to engage in it, I think not believing in such things and using it as a political tool is probably worse than actually believing it and doing so.

The International Atomic Energy Agency warned last week of its "concerns" that the Iranian regime was moving to acquire a nuclear-weapons capability, not just nuclear energy. But this does not change the powerful calculus against a military strike, which would most likely delay the Iranian program by only a few years


Bombing their installations would do more than delay it for a few years, and obviously a full-blown invasion would too. Making nuclear weapons is tricky, not because people don't know how to make them, the physics behind a nuclear bomb, the theory, is relatively simple and not a secret. Getting weapons grade Uranium or plutonium is not. They could rebuild centrifuges in a few years, they'd have to acquire new uranium, and they would also know that the even the most apparently anti-war POTUS the US is likely to have for some time is willing to bomb them again if they continue, or take more stern measures.

If Israel's large nuclear arsenal has not made Egypt seek its own nukes -- even though that country has fought and lost three wars with Israel -- it is unclear to me why an Iranian bomb would.


Probably because Egypt's leaders don't sit around calling for the obliteration of Israel constantly.

Moderate Arab states and Muslim governments everywhere would be on the defensive.


The majority of those govt's would be happy to make some nasty comments about us if we bombed Iran... then quietly sigh in relief that the problem had been dealt with. They don't like Iran, they regard the country with a mixture of fear and loathing.

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Why Iran's dictators can be deterred - 23/02/2010 01:31:52 PM 852 Views
Not sure he showed us how they can be deterred - 23/02/2010 01:56:42 PM 380 Views
Er yeah, that's totally the argument I was going for. - 23/02/2010 02:06:52 PM 424 Views
No Palin was simply cover for the "we just have to accept Iran will get the bomb argument" - 23/02/2010 02:26:45 PM 450 Views
She wasn't cover for anything, but I like how this argument keeps going that way. - 23/02/2010 02:36:47 PM 440 Views
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and I tried to take her out of the argument. But here we are. - 23/02/2010 03:39:29 PM 406 Views
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I think this guy lives on the moon - 23/02/2010 02:51:20 PM 490 Views
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I like that article, actually. - 23/02/2010 03:58:39 PM 393 Views
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One thing he forgets... - 24/02/2010 12:19:12 AM 408 Views
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Fair point, sorry. - 25/02/2010 12:45:47 PM 500 Views
No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position - 25/02/2010 05:19:10 PM 380 Views
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Re: But... - 25/02/2010 05:52:07 PM 587 Views
Here's a few questions for you then. - 25/02/2010 02:55:00 AM 542 Views
You're not asking questions you're trying to support your point - 25/02/2010 06:49:28 PM 474 Views
I think this ties in well with this article - 25/02/2010 09:56:04 AM 409 Views
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