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"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM
Then again, as you said, the ACLU would almost certainly defend all the people you're talking about, and they're rather well known for leaning to the left.


Well, the analogous case here would be Tyler Chase Harper in '04, who wore to school a T-shirt saying "Homosexuality is shameful - Romans 1:27" and "Be ashamed, our school has embraced what God condemned." the day after the Day of Silence against homophobia. The ACLU was surprisingly silent themselves on the matter, even though they handled two similar incidents nearby. They did eventually get involved but not until they'd been kicked in the teeth about hypocrisy. Been a lot of cases like that too, which is how they got their not-entirely-deserved rep for being color-blind unless the colors were red or blue.

EDIT: It's worth noting that I don't know of any liberals who would actively campaign for the expulsion of a student protesting abortion. That whole "defend to the death your right to say it" thing is pretty strong on the left, along with the "and then I'll accuse you of being bigoted for disagreeing with me" that's sometimes tacked on to the end. ;)


It's pretty strong on the right too, with a track record of around 150 years, nobody changed our platform on the matter, with notable republicans for civil liberties being President Lincoln and Dr. King. Our track record on it has been a bit different though, as the usual republican attitude on civil liberties these days could be best summed up with our happy motto 'If you're gonna burn the flag, please wrap yourself in it first', which is to say by and large the left and right tend to have the same opinions on a lot of it, except a lot of people on the left tend to get teary-eyed and advocate the 'victim' as a hero, and the right tends to tack in the wind more on the 'We freely support this ignorant dirtbag's right wear a swastika on his shirt while wandering around Harlem, and we certainly will prosecute his various murderers, assuming they are found, as we expect the police will understandably be devoting their energies to more important cases than what amounts to assisted suicide'.

The default right-wing take on this girl's case tends to be rather unsympathetic. Girl wants to go to prom with other girl, she's either a dateless wonder or a lesbian, who cares? Oh, she's making a political statement, great, so the statements more important to her than the prom, since she could easily have attended with another girl and simply not have said anything to raise a fuss. Common courtesy says keep the politics away from a major emotional event of most teens lives. If the prom was important to her the way it is to most people, she would have just gone with her date and no one would have stopped her, instead she's decided to throw a self-righteous fit and disrupt everyone else's experience when she likely could have aired her views on this left and right all day long without objection from the school board and either attended anyway or simply not have gone out of protest. There's a difference between protesting a war and protesting a war at a military funeral, although the ACLU happens to believe otherwise on that too.

Hence sympathy for her is going to be rather limited, regardless of whether one happens to like or dislike the school board which probably was not sitting around saying "I ain't not gonna have no darn Dyke showing her sinner face at our school." Personally I don't approve of minors being given much leeway to protest. I'm also a big believer in school uniforms and gender-segregated middle and high schools, so my reasoning on these sorts of things tends to be different, I couldn't give a snot if a lesbian attends a prom, open or otherwise they've been doing for as long as we've had them after all, and her choice of apparel, so long as it meets the standards of decency, means nothing to me. Her decision to disrupt, as a minor, an event attended by other minors, to the point of taking legal action, doesn't meet with much approval from me, she is not a modern day Rosa Parks. Fighting for your principle is an honorable and time-honored tradition, but one is unlikely to garner much sympathy from me when doing it in what I view as a petty fashion. Writing a letter to the school board and a guest column in the paper then attending anyway in a dress would have been classier and wiser too, especially in adults vs minor, showing maturity and restraint tends to win more support than filing a lawsuit, and if one's goal is to actually change things, instead of just get attention and be seen as a heroine of civil rights, that would have been the better course.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1679 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 272 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 304 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 632 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 874 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 703 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 712 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 716 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 831 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 779 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 792 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 716 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 767 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 654 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 716 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 642 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 649 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 705 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 599 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 582 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 687 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 613 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 660 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 614 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 681 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 717 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 822 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 700 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 688 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 737 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 733 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 661 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 679 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 639 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 632 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 692 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 663 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 662 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 558 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 705 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 598 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 652 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 664 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 646 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 685 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 709 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 685 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 659 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 653 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 730 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 620 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 776 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 772 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 701 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 759 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 586 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 558 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 624 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 604 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 561 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 660 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 599 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 563 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 621 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 826 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 726 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 280 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 662 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 540 Views
This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 695 Views
Re: This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 937 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 625 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 558 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM 750 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 659 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM 701 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 706 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 672 Views
You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 261 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 590 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 621 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 547 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 703 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 610 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 721 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 434 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 549 Views
Teenaged lesbians - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 660 Views

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