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Re: For the record... Isaac Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM
I'd be upset at any of the examples you mentioned.


I like to think most people would, normally though it just depends on whether they have a certain bias on the situation - not even necessarily bigoted ones, could be 'Listen to that girl, what a bitch' - then the rationalizing kicks in. Normally you can prime people - especially americans who get fed the 'liberty or death' dogma from the cradle - by giving a 'freedom rant' before exposing them to a given issue or shortly after they've heard about the issue before they've dug in their heels and expect to get a very pro-freedom response from them.

I get what you're saying though. Plus, it's true that gay rights is a "cool" topic to get excited about over the last few years. The amount of media attention something gets doesn't change whether it's right or not, though.


Pretty much the direction of my thrust, yes. I am a very conservative republican and pro-gay rights (which is not as rare combination as most people think) but I'm also fairly cynical. I nominally support the girl's position but I dislike siding with either side on this since I don't like selective outrage and situational ethics, and that's obviously what's going on for most of the people on either side of the issue. Gay Rights has become a 'cool issue' just like protesting Vietnam became a 'cool issue' and many other issues have done as well, and invariably the rational and principled believers get edged out by the hysterics. Dr. King is shoved aside for Black Panthers. Lucy Burns and Alice Paul get replaced by Valerie Solanas and Gloria Steinem.

My guess is the school board was probably sympathetic toward her, and simply was trying to take the pragmatic compromise approach because they viewed having the prom as more important and didn't want to interject politics into a major traditional and highly important social event, when faced on both sides by people more interested politics and winning their battle than letting children have their emotional important event, they chose to cancel the whole thing. Not sure I agree with that either, but I can't demonize them for it.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1934 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 333 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 379 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 756 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 1016 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 843 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 849 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 867 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 978 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 940 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 940 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 855 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 912 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 790 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 864 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 786 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 802 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 848 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 751 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 723 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 828 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 755 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 808 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 750 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 826 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 852 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 967 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 867 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 823 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 878 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 875 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 792 Views
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As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 778 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 847 Views
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That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 697 Views
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Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 744 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 802 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 802 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 815 Views
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Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 805 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 800 Views
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I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 769 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 940 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 920 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 838 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 904 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 739 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 700 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 768 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 748 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 691 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 806 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 747 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 715 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 769 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 962 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 874 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 354 Views
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This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 835 Views
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You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 321 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 739 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 811 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 690 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 845 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 749 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 876 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 506 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 691 Views
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