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Re: For the record... Isaac Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM
I'd be upset at any of the examples you mentioned.


I like to think most people would, normally though it just depends on whether they have a certain bias on the situation - not even necessarily bigoted ones, could be 'Listen to that girl, what a bitch' - then the rationalizing kicks in. Normally you can prime people - especially americans who get fed the 'liberty or death' dogma from the cradle - by giving a 'freedom rant' before exposing them to a given issue or shortly after they've heard about the issue before they've dug in their heels and expect to get a very pro-freedom response from them.

I get what you're saying though. Plus, it's true that gay rights is a "cool" topic to get excited about over the last few years. The amount of media attention something gets doesn't change whether it's right or not, though.


Pretty much the direction of my thrust, yes. I am a very conservative republican and pro-gay rights (which is not as rare combination as most people think) but I'm also fairly cynical. I nominally support the girl's position but I dislike siding with either side on this since I don't like selective outrage and situational ethics, and that's obviously what's going on for most of the people on either side of the issue. Gay Rights has become a 'cool issue' just like protesting Vietnam became a 'cool issue' and many other issues have done as well, and invariably the rational and principled believers get edged out by the hysterics. Dr. King is shoved aside for Black Panthers. Lucy Burns and Alice Paul get replaced by Valerie Solanas and Gloria Steinem.

My guess is the school board was probably sympathetic toward her, and simply was trying to take the pragmatic compromise approach because they viewed having the prom as more important and didn't want to interject politics into a major traditional and highly important social event, when faced on both sides by people more interested politics and winning their battle than letting children have their emotional important event, they chose to cancel the whole thing. Not sure I agree with that either, but I can't demonize them for it.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1681 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 272 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 305 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 634 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 875 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 705 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 712 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 719 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 833 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 781 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 794 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 718 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 768 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 656 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 718 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 643 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 651 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 707 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 600 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 584 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 689 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 615 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 661 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 614 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 683 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 719 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 824 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 702 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 690 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 737 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 734 Views
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As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 634 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 694 Views
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Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 600 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 654 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 666 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 646 Views
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Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 659 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 656 Views
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I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 620 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 778 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 774 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 704 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 761 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 588 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 560 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 626 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 605 Views
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I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 661 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 601 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 565 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 623 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 828 Views
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I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 281 Views
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You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 262 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 592 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 623 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 547 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 705 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 612 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 721 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 435 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 551 Views
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