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Ummmm.... no. Napoleon62 Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM
Same sex marriages are normal marriages. There is nothing abnormal about them. Two men loving each other is the same as a man and a woman loving each other which is the same as two women loving each other. All these relationships are largely the same with only minor differences. It is not until the question of religion is brought into the picture that anything can be said to be wrong about them. Why shouldn't they be afforded the same rights as all of us? A Justice of the Peace has the power to marry people outside the bounds of religion, which throws the whole sanctity of marriage and the church question right out the door, so why shouldn't a Justice of the Peace be allowed to marry same sex couples?
Why can't they just call themselves married? Why does a Justice have to marry people in circumstances he does not believe in? Because the truth is that they want to impose their relationships on the rest of us. They want to force their beliefs down every one else's throat. Marriage has nothing to do with love, it is about mating & reproducing. Back when marriages were about property and family alliances, the divorce rate was much lower.


What! That is ridiculous. They do not seek to impose upon the rest of the world their views, they simply want their views accepted, is that wrong? Is it so wrong to make a stand for what you believe, which is really all a same-sex marriage is. They can't just say their married because 1)there is no legitamacy there, everyone else gets a real marriage, and they have their rights based on their views and 2)they are making a stand by getting married. They aren't saying that the rest of the world has to be like them, just that they want acceptance for their views. They (as evidenced by yourself) face enough prejedice as is.

Likewise, if a prom is for the student body, then all members of the student body should be allowed to attend regardless of how others feel.
Then it follows that they should be able to do whatever they want? If a 17 year old girl wants to bring a 30 year old boyfriend that's okay? What about drinking and drugs? Why shouldn't those be allowed at a prom? It IS for the students after all, and even the queer chick admits the majority support the decision. She has the exact same right to attend as any other student, under the exact same conditions. The problem is, she wants to engage in activity and behavior that is not in keeping with the rules and the set of a the prom as the hosting authority - the school district - sees it. If it IS for the students, then let the students host the damn thing. They have already received a free education for up to a dozen years from that same school district, why are they owed a party too?


Ok, that really doesn't make any sense. And goes against a major concept of Enlightenment philosophy upon which America was founded. That is, the majority gets its way without restricting the rights of the minorities. It is a violation of absolutely no one's rights for this girl to go to the dance. No one's. But denying her, and canceling the dance is denying everyone's rights. And even in the hypothetical situation that they just denied her access, that would be denying the minority rights because it is in the will of a majority.

Take a hypothetical example of a dance in a racist community in America in the last century. A caucasian person wants to bring along his/her african american girl/boy friend. And because there are so many people in the area that are opposed to interracial marriage, they cancel the dance because it goes against school policy or whatever you were talking about up there.

Is that right? Is that fair? If you think so than no one can even argue with you because you have morals that were outdated in 1900.

And your example about drugs is ridiculous. That impedes on other peoples possiblity to have fun, whereas one couple in a whole dance won't change anything.

If our basic right to be free from persecution regardless of race, sex, religion or personal beliefs is to hold true it must hold true for all people in all circumstances and if you don't believe that you must be willing to accept persecution for yourself. You must be willing to be fired from a job for who you are, or to be denied anything for who you are.

That is absurd. There are limits to those freedoms and they end where other people's rights begin. No one is dragging her out of her bedroom to be punished, the people who are throwing the party set for the circumstances and they are being applied equally to everyone. No one is saying she can't be a lesbian, they are saying she may not bring a same sex date and she must adhere to the dress code. The people throwing and hosting the party have every right to do so. You speak about freedom from persecution, but that is exactly what legal recognition of same sex novelty institutions will violate. People will be persecuted by being forced to give recognition and support things that violate their beliefs.

As for your retarded final assertion, you obviously seem to think I would have a problem with that. Setting aside the fact that I am a member of the most-persecuted religion in the history of my country, which once had a national-level party organized in opposition to it, where only three adherents have ever been nominated from President and in the first two incidents, their religion was made a major issue of the campaign. I would have no problem being fired from a job for my beliefs as long as that was the universal position. I would have no problem with employers being allowed to fire employees for their beliefs, if not for the fact that a great many people have already made an issue of it. That is the only reason I would protest. I have nothing against employers doing what they want with their money...as long as that principle is applied evenhandedly.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1679 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 272 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 304 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 632 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 874 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 703 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 712 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 717 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 831 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 779 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 792 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 717 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 767 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 654 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 716 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 642 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 649 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 705 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 599 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 582 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 687 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 613 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 660 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 614 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 681 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 717 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 822 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 700 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 688 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 737 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 733 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 661 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 679 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 639 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 632 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 692 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 663 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 662 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 558 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 705 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 598 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 652 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 665 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 646 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 685 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 709 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 685 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 659 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 653 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 730 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 620 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 776 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 772 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 701 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 759 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 586 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 558 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 624 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 604 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 561 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 660 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 599 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 563 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 621 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 826 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 726 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 280 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 662 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 540 Views
This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 695 Views
Re: This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 937 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 625 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 558 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM 751 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 659 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM 701 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 707 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 672 Views
You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 262 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 590 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 621 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 547 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 703 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 610 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 721 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 434 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 549 Views
Teenaged lesbians - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 660 Views

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