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Re: It does ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM
You make good points, but standing up for the rules by ignoring that they might be faulty isn't really fair to the people who may be feeling oppressed by them. It may save them money and time now, but it's highly unlikely that teachers and others responsible for education would have anything to do with the court case. I'm not sure I see how a court case is more disruptive than pissing off a bunch of kids who have likely spent a bunch of money on dresses and the like.


A court case is disruptive for them. The ones who would be fighting and paying for it. In addition, the media circus would likely be disruptive, as would the the loss of funds that would have otherwise gone towards the school. The loss of funds the students would have spent on clothes aren't really an issue. The school wasn't going to benefit from those funds anyway.

I don't necessarily think either, and it doesn't matter what I think anyway-- It's not like the argument is going away because the prom did, because now there are kids fighting to get it back. None of this gives them a quick and easy solution. The headache is not gone simply because they are trying to cancel the dance rather than address the issue. Imo, they should have addressed the issue, rather than pretend it didn't exist. I did not say they should give in, not at all.


And again, they maybe they couldn't afford to not give in and still have the prom. They chose what worked best for them. I'm sure they'll cross the same bridge next year when they come to it.

No, and I did not make that case at all. I said that they should address the issue, and if they cannot make a sufficient case for the way they want to run things (while being a public institution that has to function under our constitution), then maybe there is something wrong there anyway. If the dress code is appropriate, a case can be made that upholds it. If the rule about allowing kids to have same-sex dates is appropriate, a case can be made that upholds that as well. If not, then that's justice.


Once again, that's easy for you to say. You're not the one who has to pay to make that compelling case. Plenty of people with iron tight cases don't fight in court because they can't afford it. They likely weighed the pros and cons and went with what worked best. It's not the outcome most people wanted, but then, those people weren't the ones who had to host the party and pay the court costs.

I clearly have no quarrel with you, but I'm struggling to answer this the way I want. All I'll say to this is that I'm just glad I've never had to feel as though who I was or what I wanted had no place in a "normal" society and that if I stood up for myself, I deserved all the backlash I got.


See, the thing is, just because you agree with someone's particular crusade doesn't mean that they went about it in the best way. And it doesn't make someone exempt from the consequences of embarking on such a crusade. People who practice civil disobedience routinely end up in jail. People who stop traffic to protest have to put up with the jeers and honking of horns by the people whose commutes were disrupted by their actions. And people who end up getting something canceled because they wanted it "their way or the highway," have to deal with the pissed off other people who are now deprived of the event. That's life. She should have thought this out more clearly. Just because she's gay doesn't make her exempt from dealing with her pissed off peers any more than the traffic stopping protesters should be exempt from commuters shouting "F*ck you!" out their windows as they inch past.

When you protest, you take your lumps from the people you hurt. If you consider your cause worthy, then you consider them lumps worth taking. I've been there.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1864 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 299 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 341 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 696 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 944 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 778 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 781 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 793 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 899 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 861 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 869 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 786 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 848 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 722 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 789 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 718 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 730 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 780 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 678 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 654 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 756 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 688 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 737 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 681 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 755 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 794 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 895 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 773 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 758 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 805 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 802 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 722 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 752 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 710 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 710 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 771 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 750 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 740 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 627 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 785 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 670 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 730 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 740 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 729 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 769 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 790 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 759 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 729 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 730 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 806 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 693 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 849 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 847 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 770 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 830 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 662 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 632 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 697 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 682 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 628 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 734 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 676 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 642 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 697 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 899 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 808 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 317 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 736 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 615 Views
This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 765 Views
Re: This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 1011 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 720 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 634 Views
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Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 784 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 755 Views
You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 287 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 663 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 739 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 622 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 774 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 679 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 794 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 470 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 620 Views
Teenaged lesbians - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 739 Views

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