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Re: It does ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM
You make good points, but standing up for the rules by ignoring that they might be faulty isn't really fair to the people who may be feeling oppressed by them. It may save them money and time now, but it's highly unlikely that teachers and others responsible for education would have anything to do with the court case. I'm not sure I see how a court case is more disruptive than pissing off a bunch of kids who have likely spent a bunch of money on dresses and the like.


A court case is disruptive for them. The ones who would be fighting and paying for it. In addition, the media circus would likely be disruptive, as would the the loss of funds that would have otherwise gone towards the school. The loss of funds the students would have spent on clothes aren't really an issue. The school wasn't going to benefit from those funds anyway.

I don't necessarily think either, and it doesn't matter what I think anyway-- It's not like the argument is going away because the prom did, because now there are kids fighting to get it back. None of this gives them a quick and easy solution. The headache is not gone simply because they are trying to cancel the dance rather than address the issue. Imo, they should have addressed the issue, rather than pretend it didn't exist. I did not say they should give in, not at all.


And again, they maybe they couldn't afford to not give in and still have the prom. They chose what worked best for them. I'm sure they'll cross the same bridge next year when they come to it.

No, and I did not make that case at all. I said that they should address the issue, and if they cannot make a sufficient case for the way they want to run things (while being a public institution that has to function under our constitution), then maybe there is something wrong there anyway. If the dress code is appropriate, a case can be made that upholds it. If the rule about allowing kids to have same-sex dates is appropriate, a case can be made that upholds that as well. If not, then that's justice.


Once again, that's easy for you to say. You're not the one who has to pay to make that compelling case. Plenty of people with iron tight cases don't fight in court because they can't afford it. They likely weighed the pros and cons and went with what worked best. It's not the outcome most people wanted, but then, those people weren't the ones who had to host the party and pay the court costs.

I clearly have no quarrel with you, but I'm struggling to answer this the way I want. All I'll say to this is that I'm just glad I've never had to feel as though who I was or what I wanted had no place in a "normal" society and that if I stood up for myself, I deserved all the backlash I got.


See, the thing is, just because you agree with someone's particular crusade doesn't mean that they went about it in the best way. And it doesn't make someone exempt from the consequences of embarking on such a crusade. People who practice civil disobedience routinely end up in jail. People who stop traffic to protest have to put up with the jeers and honking of horns by the people whose commutes were disrupted by their actions. And people who end up getting something canceled because they wanted it "their way or the highway," have to deal with the pissed off other people who are now deprived of the event. That's life. She should have thought this out more clearly. Just because she's gay doesn't make her exempt from dealing with her pissed off peers any more than the traffic stopping protesters should be exempt from commuters shouting "F*ck you!" out their windows as they inch past.

When you protest, you take your lumps from the people you hurt. If you consider your cause worthy, then you consider them lumps worth taking. I've been there.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1802 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 290 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 324 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 680 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 923 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 755 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 757 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 765 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 875 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 826 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 846 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 766 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 822 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 700 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 768 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 689 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 703 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 753 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 645 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 632 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 735 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 661 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 707 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 660 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 731 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 769 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 868 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 746 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 738 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 778 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 779 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 702 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 725 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 687 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 682 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 744 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 715 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 710 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 605 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 759 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 649 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 702 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 715 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 694 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 742 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 757 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 731 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 704 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 704 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 779 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 668 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 825 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 823 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 747 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 811 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 634 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 610 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 671 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 655 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 607 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 712 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 649 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 608 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 666 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 870 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 785 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 305 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 710 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 588 Views
This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 740 Views
Re: This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 986 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 684 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 606 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM 803 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 705 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM 742 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 758 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 720 Views
You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 278 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 640 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 715 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 592 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 754 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 654 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 771 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 456 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 594 Views
Teenaged lesbians - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 705 Views

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