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Re: This is definitely true Isaac Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM

Travel more, you'd be amazed what you consider reasonable when you've visited certain places. It gives one an amazing appreciation for how incredibly tolerant and enlightened even the 'backwaters' in this country are.



It's easy to go "grahhr America hatin on all the gays grahhhr," but while I was in southeast asia, at least, it was kind of astounding how even the more "modern" parts had stuff like "if you even mention something bad about the king, you can be locked up."



Still, that's almost irrelevant to this. If we're "enlightened" enough to not get upset over showing ankles and faces and free speech and all the rest, it's a pretty short step to going, "Oh, who cares if you're wearing a tie?"


Gotta also be enlightened enough to say 'Yeah, you're a bit out of date, and I'm definitely gonna tell you so in no uncertain terms, but this particular injustice maybe isn't worth fighting in this way'

I don't know, it seems such weird thing to debate over, she's won, for all practical purposes, it's in the public eye, she's got the lion share of sympathy, even on fairly far right sites the commentary is basically 50/50 split, mostly of the 'this is wrong' vs 'this wrong but so is the her action' type. I don't like trying to cram change down people's throats, it backfires, sometimes you have to, for real major injustices you have to stomp on people's necks, I'm just not convinced that this is one such case. That's my attitude on the gay rights aspect of this, on the dress code, really, I'm a traditionalist, people are welcome to wander around in the attire of their choice, but I really don't feel right about someone pushing into a very formal and symbolic event like this and changing the rules.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date Aisha - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1679 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* Tim - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 271 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 304 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. Tim - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 632 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Cannoli - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 874 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. heartbreak - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 703 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 712 Views
Ummmm.... no. Napoleon62 - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 716 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying moondog - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 831 Views
What??? Dannymac - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 779 Views
Actually... Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 792 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. Dannymac - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 716 Views
That analogy is not apt. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 767 Views
Er... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 653 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 715 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 641 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." snoopcester - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 649 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 705 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 599 Views
Again, you're right. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 582 Views
Yup. Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 686 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 613 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. Macharius - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 660 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 614 Views
Absurd. Macharius - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 681 Views
The rules were unjust. Dannymac - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 717 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! Cannoli - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 822 Views
So hang on. Dannymac - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 700 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 687 Views
Re: This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Macharius - 12/03/2010 02:31:06 PM 731 Views
Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile? Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM 697 Views
actually, i thought i read that it was because she wanted to wear a tux instead of a dress moondog - 12/03/2010 02:46:00 AM 726 Views
Kind of a different can of worms then Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:20:35 AM 661 Views
What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over. Tashmere - 14/03/2010 01:24:47 AM 660 Views
Hmm. Apparently it is legal to discriminate upon the basis of gender. Imagine that. Tashmere - 14/03/2010 02:45:51 AM 638 Views
It kind of makes sense, given the highly arbitrary and stereotypical nature of gender. Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 03:35:44 AM 569 Views
Re: What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over. Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:01:00 AM 689 Views
I would love to argue with you Tashmere - 15/03/2010 11:03:48 AM 584 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 737 Views
Maybe. Ghavrel - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 732 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 660 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Macharius - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 678 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 638 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. Legolas - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 631 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... Isaac - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 692 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 663 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" Isaac - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 662 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 557 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under Isaac - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 705 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 598 Views
Your comments are inconsistent Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 652 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 664 Views
For the record... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 645 Views
Re: For the record... Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 684 Views
Re: For the record... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 709 Views
Re: For the record... Isaac - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 685 Views
No no, I know how you feel. I'm just disinclined to have sympathy for the school. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:28:35 PM 561 Views
Alternatively, I have little sympathy for the school, I just don't have much for her either Isaac - 12/03/2010 11:56:08 PM 673 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? Aemon - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 658 Views
Actually it is that reductionist Roland00 - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 653 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 730 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think snoopcester - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 619 Views
Regardless of "rights" invovled, I don't see why she shouldn't be able to go as she pleases. LadyLorraine - 12/03/2010 05:25:31 PM 698 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend Lupine - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 776 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - Lupine - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 772 Views
One point though ßelals Girl - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 701 Views
Re: One point though Lupine - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 759 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance ßelals Girl - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 586 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? LadyLorraine - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 558 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 624 Views
It does nossy - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 604 Views
Re: It does Isaac - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 561 Views
I typically agree with you nossy - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 660 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory Isaac - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 599 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? LadyLorraine - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 563 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 Isaac - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 620 Views
No, it should not nossy - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 826 Views
Re: No, it should not Isaac - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 726 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* Tashmere - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 280 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 662 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 540 Views
This is definitely true beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 695 Views
Re: This is definitely true Isaac - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 937 Views
He wasn't neccessarily advocating it. He was translating what they were doing into something that Tashmere - 16/03/2010 01:37:59 AM 631 Views
I'd argue that that kind of hypocrisy is invaluable in today's world, actually. Legolas - 16/03/2010 01:46:16 AM 602 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 625 Views
Re: It does nossy - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 558 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM 750 Views
Re: It does nossy - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 659 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM 701 Views
Re: It does Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 706 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 672 Views
You make good points. *NM* Legolas - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 261 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 590 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel ßelals Girl - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 621 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 547 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 703 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 610 Views
They do ßelals Girl - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 721 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 434 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 549 Views
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