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Actually it is illegal in several ways Roland00 Send a noteboard - 15/07/2017 01:55:02 AM

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It wasn't illegal. He could have met with them all he wanted. Meeting with someone to get dirt on a candidate is as old as the Republic itself.

~Jeordam


https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/10/15950590/donald-trump-jr-new-york-times-illegal

11 CFR 110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).

Note there are several other laws he might have violated to, but the campaign finance laws are pretty much clear cut, if its a foreign national you are not allowed to seek a contribution of anything of value.

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You may call this a stupid law, you may say it violates the 1st amendment, and so on, but it is the law.


Meeting with someone to get dirt on a candidate is as old as the Republic itself.

This is true though, foreign nationals getting involved with US elections has happened ever since the 2nd election with John Adams and may have cost Jefferson the election.

http://www.history.com/news/that-time-a-foreign-government-interfered-in-a-u-s-presidential-election-in-1796

Debating the ethics of what Donald Trump Jr did is very different than debating the legality of what Donald Trump Jr did.

(Also different is debating the morality of what Donald Trump Jr did.)

Note it is not just Donald Trump Jr, but also Paul Manafort (who should know better for he would be familiar with that part of campaign finance law, and Jared Kushner.


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Carry on you two, just pointing out the legal law that is involved since Jeo (wrongly) stated no law that was broken.

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that's the thing with muddying the waters damookster - 13/07/2017 03:20:24 PM 489 Views
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This is your defense? "Other people would do it too?" *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 03:36:26 AM 225 Views
To quoque or not to quoque, I think the essential defense is there is NO wrongdoing in such events Cannoli - 14/07/2017 04:45:41 AM 515 Views
That's at least more logically consistent. Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 10:42:08 AM 562 Views
I don't need a defense.... Jeordam - 14/07/2017 08:31:12 PM 407 Views
Actually it is illegal in several ways Roland00 - 15/07/2017 01:55:02 AM 546 Views
dirt on an opponent is equivilent to a monetary disbursment? *NM* damookster - 15/07/2017 03:43:28 AM 340 Views
I don't have an opinion on whether the law was broken here. Ghavrel - 15/07/2017 05:12:08 AM 568 Views
Yes Roland00 - 15/07/2017 02:34:53 PM 440 Views
Bah damookster - 15/07/2017 04:56:08 PM 427 Views
Question Mookie, when did you think this law was enacted and last revised? Roland00 - 16/07/2017 11:46:43 AM 472 Views
No clue. I could google, of course, but that would be cheating. *NM* damookster - 16/07/2017 03:29:52 PM 272 Views
The offered dirty was that the Clintons were taking campaign donations from a foreign national again random thoughts - 18/07/2017 08:08:23 PM 446 Views
I very well could be wrong, but I don't think that I am. Jeordam - 17/07/2017 04:50:24 PM 465 Views
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I'm waiting for Little Marco to send me a subpoena. Tom - 13/07/2017 10:40:25 PM 474 Views
That's a very good point that needs further exploration damookster - 13/07/2017 11:54:56 PM 476 Views
The New York Times still has a fold? Tom - 14/07/2017 02:28:48 PM 440 Views
I think I served you a subpoena once. . . It was a small subpoena. *NM* Roland00 - 14/07/2017 09:02:48 AM 289 Views
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Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia aerocontrols - 18/07/2017 04:10:01 PM 606 Views
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You are the fly in every republican cake Roland00 - 15/07/2017 01:56:24 AM 512 Views
I really don't understand 99% of your responses Tom - 18/07/2017 06:42:09 AM 540 Views
Yes Tom, Yes Exactly *NM* Roland00 - 18/07/2017 03:46:22 PM 253 Views
It was and still just the isolationist wing of the party that feels that way random thoughts - 19/07/2017 01:27:41 PM 470 Views
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