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I don't know this answer and any one who says they know this answer is lying to you even if their Roland00 Send a noteboard - 28/09/2019 12:29:39 AM

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I'm not saying this sequence of events isn't different. I'm just saying it won't change the kinds of those on this board who slavishly follow Trump. In their eyes, if Trump does it, it must be right.

I have been surprised by damookster at least being honest that the trust or falsehood of these allegations don't matter to him since he feels he has an economic stake in Trump's survival. That's something I never expected to see. But it doesn't change the fact that what allegations of what would clearly by a shocking crime by the President doesn't cause his supporters to question what it is they're on the side of.


I don't know this answer and any one who says they know this answer is lying to you even if their gut is convinced they are right plus correct. What was the thing about the Oath Rod, you could still lie if you convince the lie was the truth. Human perception and the conceptual models we build are always in tension and we never know the validity of the model till we test it.

I can create dozens of stories that this may be the moment it breaks and it may not be, a boundless amount of stories I can create. That is the power of ambiguity and liminal spaces. So shrug ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Really? Nothing on the current Ukraine-Trump thing? Color me shocked. *NM* TyrReborn - 26/09/2019 07:32:13 PM 518 Views
My thoughts in a short video clip form. Roland00 - 26/09/2019 08:09:32 PM 303 Views
I would have put up something if I expected a different result from before fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 09:32:56 PM 276 Views
This. *NM* Legolas - 26/09/2019 09:56:29 PM 147 Views
So every conversation you have in life.... Jeordam - 26/09/2019 10:50:09 PM 302 Views
Not with people like you. Not anymore fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 11:47:04 PM 286 Views
That's the actual debate, isn't it? Jeordam - 26/09/2019 10:48:12 PM 299 Views
Yes, you're missing things. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 11:51:34 PM 298 Views
Of course you are but you already knew that random thoughts - 27/09/2019 02:00:22 PM 300 Views
Hmmm... Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:20:05 PM 266 Views
What is different than before is two things Roland00 - 26/09/2019 11:59:33 PM 295 Views
We're talking about different differences... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:10:47 PM 246 Views
many Republicans I know feel exactly the same *NM* damookster - 27/09/2019 08:57:57 PM 148 Views
But few will say it out straight fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:21:28 PM 249 Views
I don't know this answer and any one who says they know this answer is lying to you even if their Roland00 - 28/09/2019 12:29:39 AM 249 Views
A complete tempest in a teacup. Tom - 26/09/2019 10:01:09 PM 302 Views
The Trump apologist are circling the wagons random thoughts - 27/09/2019 01:49:20 PM 316 Views
This is where I disagree. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:35:43 PM 277 Views
You do realize that we're now going by the White House's own summary? Legolas - 27/09/2019 07:30:59 PM 254 Views
Yes, I do realize that. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 07:46:10 PM 249 Views
What would you do when everything you say will always be taken in the worst light?- private email? fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 07:58:19 PM 262 Views
Simmer down Jeordam - 27/09/2019 08:33:14 PM 245 Views
ROFL. You truly are hopeless. Enjoy smoking whatever you're smoking. Thankfully, its not my country fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:09:43 PM 277 Views
I don't smoke. But you are correct....it is not your country. *NM* Jeordam - 27/09/2019 09:57:27 PM 148 Views
You truly are hopeless. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 01:12:52 AM 320 Views
Your spidey-senses were accurate. I was indeed thinking of doing so. damookster - 28/09/2019 02:36:01 PM 261 Views
You do realize the whistle blower had no direct information in the complaint, right? Tom - 27/09/2019 07:51:19 PM 272 Views
And? Legolas - 27/09/2019 09:34:31 PM 277 Views
"I have no idea what 'fishing' has to do with anything." You wouldn't. Tom - 27/09/2019 10:11:54 PM 278 Views
So you're saying any whistleblower complaint based on second hand information... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 11:44:57 PM 274 Views
It doesn't matter Roland00 - 28/09/2019 06:02:07 AM 255 Views
Also just as a reminder we have precedent here with the impeachment of Federal Judge Walter Nixon. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 07:38:19 PM 267 Views
A secret database, you mean a secret server? A server full of e-mails? *NM* Roland00 - 28/09/2019 05:55:21 AM 138 Views
Truth! Great Post - *NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/10/2019 02:12:50 AM 142 Views
The biggest conundrum for Republicans... damookster - 27/09/2019 04:10:16 PM 296 Views
Likewise.... Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:24:03 PM 254 Views
You're drastically overstating how much impact Trump, or any president, has on the economy. Legolas - 27/09/2019 07:11:54 PM 288 Views
Long term verses short term damookster - 27/09/2019 07:33:01 PM 298 Views
And I'm not willing to gamble on that rebound. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 07:55:19 PM 275 Views
You know they're going to have to hit the middle class with massive taxes for this Tom - 27/09/2019 08:31:09 PM 253 Views
Bernie clearly stated on Colbert the other night that his health care taxes would start... damookster - 28/09/2019 03:16:43 PM 263 Views
Hun you have the senate to be the shock absorber on the rebound. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 02:15:20 AM 263 Views
If all of that actually happened like that, okay. Legolas - 27/09/2019 10:01:26 PM 268 Views
"the worst, most corrupt and most offensive president in American history" - Harding is back? Tom - 27/09/2019 07:54:13 PM 269 Views
What makes Trump the most corrupt in you opinion ? AgentApple - 29/09/2019 02:35:25 PM 357 Views
Trump won't be removed from office absent real evidence of high crimes Tom - 27/09/2019 07:52:56 PM 271 Views
That isn't the standard for "real evidence" fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:06:48 PM 261 Views
That may be but he has a point. damookster - 27/09/2019 09:09:02 PM 265 Views
That's what I said... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:14:14 PM 254 Views
On a less depressing subject damookster - 27/09/2019 09:35:26 PM 274 Views
Amrut is awesome fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:54:20 PM 242 Views
Yes, that was on the label. damookster - 27/09/2019 10:10:00 PM 265 Views
Well, at least you're honest. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:00:39 PM 251 Views
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