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I don't know this answer and any one who says they know this answer is lying to you even if their Roland00 Send a noteboard - 28/09/2019 12:29:39 AM

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I'm not saying this sequence of events isn't different. I'm just saying it won't change the kinds of those on this board who slavishly follow Trump. In their eyes, if Trump does it, it must be right.

I have been surprised by damookster at least being honest that the trust or falsehood of these allegations don't matter to him since he feels he has an economic stake in Trump's survival. That's something I never expected to see. But it doesn't change the fact that what allegations of what would clearly by a shocking crime by the President doesn't cause his supporters to question what it is they're on the side of.


I don't know this answer and any one who says they know this answer is lying to you even if their gut is convinced they are right plus correct. What was the thing about the Oath Rod, you could still lie if you convince the lie was the truth. Human perception and the conceptual models we build are always in tension and we never know the validity of the model till we test it.

I can create dozens of stories that this may be the moment it breaks and it may not be, a boundless amount of stories I can create. That is the power of ambiguity and liminal spaces. So shrug ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Really? Nothing on the current Ukraine-Trump thing? Color me shocked. *NM* TyrReborn - 26/09/2019 07:32:13 PM 561 Views
My thoughts in a short video clip form. Roland00 - 26/09/2019 08:09:32 PM 398 Views
I would have put up something if I expected a different result from before fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 09:32:56 PM 372 Views
This. *NM* Legolas - 26/09/2019 09:56:29 PM 183 Views
So every conversation you have in life.... Jeordam - 26/09/2019 10:50:09 PM 404 Views
Not with people like you. Not anymore fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 11:47:04 PM 387 Views
That's the actual debate, isn't it? Jeordam - 26/09/2019 10:48:12 PM 410 Views
Yes, you're missing things. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 11:51:34 PM 402 Views
Of course you are but you already knew that random thoughts - 27/09/2019 02:00:22 PM 402 Views
Hmmm... Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:20:05 PM 366 Views
What is different than before is two things Roland00 - 26/09/2019 11:59:33 PM 399 Views
We're talking about different differences... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:10:47 PM 353 Views
many Republicans I know feel exactly the same *NM* damookster - 27/09/2019 08:57:57 PM 189 Views
But few will say it out straight fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:21:28 PM 351 Views
I don't know this answer and any one who says they know this answer is lying to you even if their Roland00 - 28/09/2019 12:29:39 AM 346 Views
A complete tempest in a teacup. Tom - 26/09/2019 10:01:09 PM 401 Views
The Trump apologist are circling the wagons random thoughts - 27/09/2019 01:49:20 PM 427 Views
This is where I disagree. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:35:43 PM 389 Views
You do realize that we're now going by the White House's own summary? Legolas - 27/09/2019 07:30:59 PM 362 Views
Yes, I do realize that. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 07:46:10 PM 357 Views
What would you do when everything you say will always be taken in the worst light?- private email? fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 07:58:19 PM 358 Views
Simmer down Jeordam - 27/09/2019 08:33:14 PM 357 Views
ROFL. You truly are hopeless. Enjoy smoking whatever you're smoking. Thankfully, its not my country fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:09:43 PM 394 Views
I don't smoke. But you are correct....it is not your country. *NM* Jeordam - 27/09/2019 09:57:27 PM 189 Views
You truly are hopeless. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 01:12:52 AM 426 Views
Your spidey-senses were accurate. I was indeed thinking of doing so. damookster - 28/09/2019 02:36:01 PM 350 Views
You do realize the whistle blower had no direct information in the complaint, right? Tom - 27/09/2019 07:51:19 PM 384 Views
And? Legolas - 27/09/2019 09:34:31 PM 383 Views
"I have no idea what 'fishing' has to do with anything." You wouldn't. Tom - 27/09/2019 10:11:54 PM 377 Views
So you're saying any whistleblower complaint based on second hand information... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 11:44:57 PM 367 Views
It doesn't matter Roland00 - 28/09/2019 06:02:07 AM 360 Views
Also just as a reminder we have precedent here with the impeachment of Federal Judge Walter Nixon. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 07:38:19 PM 363 Views
A secret database, you mean a secret server? A server full of e-mails? *NM* Roland00 - 28/09/2019 05:55:21 AM 179 Views
Truth! Great Post - *NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/10/2019 02:12:50 AM 200 Views
The biggest conundrum for Republicans... damookster - 27/09/2019 04:10:16 PM 431 Views
Likewise.... Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:24:03 PM 347 Views
You're drastically overstating how much impact Trump, or any president, has on the economy. Legolas - 27/09/2019 07:11:54 PM 410 Views
Long term verses short term damookster - 27/09/2019 07:33:01 PM 397 Views
And I'm not willing to gamble on that rebound. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 07:55:19 PM 381 Views
You know they're going to have to hit the middle class with massive taxes for this Tom - 27/09/2019 08:31:09 PM 343 Views
Bernie clearly stated on Colbert the other night that his health care taxes would start... damookster - 28/09/2019 03:16:43 PM 357 Views
Hun you have the senate to be the shock absorber on the rebound. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 02:15:20 AM 363 Views
If all of that actually happened like that, okay. Legolas - 27/09/2019 10:01:26 PM 375 Views
"the worst, most corrupt and most offensive president in American history" - Harding is back? Tom - 27/09/2019 07:54:13 PM 390 Views
What makes Trump the most corrupt in you opinion ? AgentApple - 29/09/2019 02:35:25 PM 464 Views
Trump won't be removed from office absent real evidence of high crimes Tom - 27/09/2019 07:52:56 PM 387 Views
That isn't the standard for "real evidence" fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:06:48 PM 358 Views
That may be but he has a point. damookster - 27/09/2019 09:09:02 PM 369 Views
That's what I said... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:14:14 PM 351 Views
On a less depressing subject damookster - 27/09/2019 09:35:26 PM 362 Views
Amrut is awesome fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:54:20 PM 335 Views
Yes, that was on the label. damookster - 27/09/2019 10:10:00 PM 357 Views
Well, at least you're honest. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:00:39 PM 336 Views
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