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Here are te quotes... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM
"Besides," Egwene said, "you could do little to stop one of the Forsaken. This battle will be fought by sisters, and I am being very careful with the wards I set. I want my quarters to look inviting. If she tries to attack me, perhaps I can surprise her with an ambush."

"She's not a warrior, Gawyn. She's an administrator, a planner. If I can confront her, I can defeat her. But we must find her first.
Exposing myself is only one of my plans—and you are right, it is dangerous. But my precautions have been extensive."

There you have it. Said straight out, with no caveats. Egwene thinks that Mesaana, as a n administrator, rather than a warrior, can be defeated if Egwene can confront her. Now, I welcome you to continue to believe that Moghedien the coward would prove to be a greater threat to Egwene, but it is clear that Egwene herself doesn't think so.

There is also this to consider. While she was much closer to her potential than Elayne, in tPoD, her recent fight with the Senachan might well have pushed her over the edge and made her reach her full strength. That might then reconcile even your interpretation of the first quote and Egwene's new-found confidence against the Foresaken.
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More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:45:27 PM 3553 Views
Yes. Cannoli - 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1890 Views
No. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM 1701 Views
Indeed! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:39:47 PM 922 Views
Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM 1604 Views
Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease. Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM 1830 Views
Three things: Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM 1659 Views
That quote is incorrect as it contradicts all other evidence from later books... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:51:02 PM 1639 Views
If strength isn't linear and on a steep enough curve that could work. Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 07:22:24 PM 1668 Views
I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM 1544 Views
I wasn't aware this was an issue? LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM 1680 Views
I just hope aMoL finally reveals who's going to be the Dragon Reborn...these lesser debates can hang *NM* Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:26:37 PM 1002 Views
*Spoiler* TGS and TOM revealed that Egwene is the DR. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 07:57:53 PM 1413 Views
Agreed. Joel - 20/12/2010 01:17:32 AM 1714 Views
not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM 1651 Views
and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM 1567 Views
She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM* Kieran - 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM 977 Views
Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM 1618 Views
I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM 1531 Views
I don't have the book handy, but she talks about the level of complexity darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:45:52 PM 1655 Views
hmm, but we still don't know if it's the weaves or the process that is so complex LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 06:28:14 PM 1455 Views
Well according to Monaella it makes it harder to Channel, but from Elayne's POV darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 06:52:55 PM 1562 Views
Re: not really Zeratul - 09/12/2010 05:16:02 PM 1586 Views
Angreal have buffers moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:38:45 PM 1602 Views
none of them are very strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM 1544 Views
We never really get a feel for their relative strengths redqueen - 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM 1424 Views
Re: We never really get a feel for their relative strengths sleepinghour - 09/12/2010 10:00:23 PM 1706 Views
Exactly moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:36:52 AM 1713 Views
Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM 1634 Views
you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM 1606 Views
Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal... Shannow - 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM 1412 Views
where is that quote my friend? darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM 1472 Views
PoD: The Breaking Storm Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM 1416 Views
Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM 1524 Views
That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM 1530 Views
Don't be absurd... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM 1526 Views
Yes, but does BS know that? Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:26:10 PM 1468 Views
Nonsense... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:45:17 PM 1475 Views
she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM 1607 Views
"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..." Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM 1631 Views
And yet... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM 1523 Views
No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM 1761 Views
Here are te quotes... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1556 Views
Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1597 Views
It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 1375 Views
Oh nonsense Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM 1475 Views
But that's his point. Gher - 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM 1461 Views
its a useless point Sidious - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1555 Views
Yes, utterly useless... Shannow - 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM 1518 Views
Dude, you need to re-read the books... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM 1452 Views
he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM 1455 Views
Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM 1533 Views
potentially, but Mesaana later turns up with BA using the 19 stolen ter'angreal. darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:41:41 PM 1422 Views
I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM 1445 Views
Re: I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM 1499 Views
What? fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:19:57 PM 1591 Views
Re: What? Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:20:19 AM 1505 Views
Oh boohoo... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:55:58 PM 1583 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM 1379 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM 1509 Views
which only tells us that Nynaeve is equal to the Forsaken. Has nothing to do with Egwene being darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:51:12 PM 1322 Views
Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1621 Views
Think about the logic of what you're proposing... Shannow - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1604 Views
It's what's in the friggin books! darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1519 Views
Duplicate post - deleted *NM* Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 763 Views
Re: Yes. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM 1548 Views
You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1678 Views
where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1579 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM 1307 Views
now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM 1482 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM 1480 Views
all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1530 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM 1480 Views
that's the point I'm making darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 1334 Views
I don't think Elayne was forced Zeratul - 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM 1487 Views
I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:43:29 PM 1307 Views
Re: I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:46:50 PM 1540 Views
Thanks for the quote Zeratul - 12/12/2010 07:17:30 PM 1603 Views
perhaps the opportunity hasn't arisen? And of course it's politic to appologize to the Amyrlin darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:41:11 PM 1450 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 08:04:21 PM 1491 Views
that's where I'm estimating Nynaeve being close to Siuan and Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 08:30:54 PM 1467 Views
Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM 1710 Views
nope darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:05:00 PM 1589 Views
Mesaana Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM 1397 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM 1418 Views
Re: agreed Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM 1298 Views
very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM 1420 Views
Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM 1572 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:47:28 PM 1494 Views
Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM 1559 Views
OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. Shannow - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 1457 Views
"clear evidence" moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 1509 Views
Laughable interpretation... Shannow - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1488 Views
Re: Laughable interpretation... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1526 Views
Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 1437 Views
Doesn't the forkroot explain that? *NM* Gher - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 977 Views
couple of thoughts here darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1495 Views
Re: couple of thoughts here fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 1414 Views
that's what I said! EDIT darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 1338 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1494 Views
Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM 1355 Views
Leane was shielded by two sisters as well sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM 1385 Views
I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM 1428 Views
Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM 1524 Views
I agree with that completely. darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:03:54 AM 1450 Views
Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM 1500 Views
re-read the section my friend. EDIT darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 1453 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 1414 Views
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 1529 Views
Not one of those things answers my rather simple question... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM 1481 Views
because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 1400 Views
She knows but she doesn't know? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM 1500 Views
She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM 1423 Views
And she doesn't know any details... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM 1429 Views
this conversation is so pointless darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM 1325 Views
Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM 1327 Views
Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. Sidious - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 1348 Views
Of course its obvious now! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM 1527 Views
it was always obvious that to me. The first thing Egwene thinks is about what the drug does to her darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:07:38 AM 1363 Views
Shielding Sidious - 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM 2877 Views
Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM 1484 Views
Re: Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:25:20 AM 1613 Views
There is, actually... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM 1369 Views
Meh Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM 1495 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM 1489 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 1480 Views
Tell Darius that... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 1413 Views
of course Katerine is redundant! 2 women of Barasine and Katerine's strength darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:00:50 AM 1378 Views
Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1579 Views
um, Elayne was in the process of bleeding to death and then had just been Healed darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:50:27 PM 1511 Views
You forget... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1513 Views
astounding "evidence" darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1522 Views
Re: astounding "evidence" The_Archer - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1584 Views
thanks darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1677 Views
Re: thanks The_Archer - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 1398 Views
We're not in disagreement for the most part darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 1396 Views
Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part The_Archer - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 1503 Views
Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:13:46 PM 1478 Views
Re: Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken The_Archer - 12/12/2010 06:35:02 PM 1525 Views
All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:50:59 PM 1503 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:05:58 PM 1567 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:11:29 PM 1518 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:14:47 PM 1554 Views
I don't get the logic here... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1522 Views
which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 1001 Views
It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 1446 Views
And...? fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1463 Views
Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 1391 Views
That was my interpretation too Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 1429 Views
Re: That was my interpretation too moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1600 Views
what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1560 Views
The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 1435 Views
*Double post, please delete* *NM* Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 842 Views
You are correct! So clearly worry about the babies was not a reason to not draw more darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:05:30 PM 1431 Views
And... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 1425 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 1454 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 1443 Views
and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 1479 Views
Yes, I did know that. moratcorlm - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 1486 Views
meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1506 Views
Oops. *NM* moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 909 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM 1395 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM 1469 Views
We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1546 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:12:12 PM 1325 Views
they can actually sense both which is how Elayne knows Nynaeve is not at full potential darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:22:35 PM 1499 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM 1523 Views
Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 10:08:16 PM 1449 Views
Re: Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around The_Archer - 10/12/2010 10:50:32 PM 1498 Views
It's more than just fear of Moridin that makes her choose an attack from such a distance darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 11:10:57 PM 1411 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 10:50:20 PM 1506 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1677 Views
Help im new! The_Archer - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1543 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The Angry Druid - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1654 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The_Archer - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 1434 Views
How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 942 Views
Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? Sidious - 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM 1357 Views
Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. Lord Haart - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 1398 Views
you misread the topic Sidious - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1523 Views
But the debate is moronic because... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 1450 Views
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