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Oh nonsense Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM


Here it is again, from the same book:

ToM - Wounds:

Channeling. Behind her. Egwene threw herself to the ground as a blast of Fire sprayed over her head. Mesaana, black cloth swirling about her. Egwene gritter her teeth and sent herself away. She DIDN't DARE face the woman directly. (Emphasis mine).

It is one thing to ambush her with prepared wards after drawing her into a trap. It is quite another when your trap has failed and you have to face her strength directly, one on one. Hence Egwene's acknowledgement:

Egwene gritter her teeth and sent herself away. She DIDN't DARE face the woman directly.


That was Katerine. This happens after Mesaana sends Katerine as a decoy. So, unless you think Katerine is so strong that her blast of fire makes Egwene think she wouldn't dare face her, then you have to accept that Egwene is going by her previous confrontation with Mesaana, where she saw that Mesaana was no lightweight in TAR.

It is really amusing that the one quote you can find in support of your statement is when Egwene was actually talking about Katerine! Says something about your interpretative skills.


Egwene is referring to Mesaana. She only discovers the disguise AFTER she kills Katerine. Really... :rolleyes:
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More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:45:27 PM 3521 Views
Yes. Cannoli - 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1850 Views
No. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM 1672 Views
Indeed! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:39:47 PM 903 Views
Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM 1573 Views
Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease. Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM 1791 Views
Three things: Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM 1627 Views
That quote is incorrect as it contradicts all other evidence from later books... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:51:02 PM 1606 Views
If strength isn't linear and on a steep enough curve that could work. Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 07:22:24 PM 1639 Views
I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM 1522 Views
I wasn't aware this was an issue? LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM 1651 Views
I just hope aMoL finally reveals who's going to be the Dragon Reborn...these lesser debates can hang *NM* Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:26:37 PM 986 Views
*Spoiler* TGS and TOM revealed that Egwene is the DR. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 07:57:53 PM 1381 Views
Agreed. Joel - 20/12/2010 01:17:32 AM 1687 Views
not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM 1619 Views
and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM 1537 Views
She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM* Kieran - 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM 965 Views
Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM 1587 Views
I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM 1500 Views
I don't have the book handy, but she talks about the level of complexity darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:45:52 PM 1622 Views
hmm, but we still don't know if it's the weaves or the process that is so complex LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 06:28:14 PM 1424 Views
Well according to Monaella it makes it harder to Channel, but from Elayne's POV darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 06:52:55 PM 1531 Views
Re: not really Zeratul - 09/12/2010 05:16:02 PM 1550 Views
Angreal have buffers moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:38:45 PM 1572 Views
none of them are very strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM 1503 Views
We never really get a feel for their relative strengths redqueen - 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM 1392 Views
Re: We never really get a feel for their relative strengths sleepinghour - 09/12/2010 10:00:23 PM 1674 Views
Exactly moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:36:52 AM 1686 Views
Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM 1589 Views
you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM 1553 Views
Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal... Shannow - 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM 1376 Views
where is that quote my friend? darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM 1440 Views
PoD: The Breaking Storm Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM 1389 Views
Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM 1494 Views
That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM 1497 Views
Don't be absurd... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM 1495 Views
Yes, but does BS know that? Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:26:10 PM 1439 Views
Nonsense... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:45:17 PM 1448 Views
she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM 1575 Views
"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..." Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM 1598 Views
And yet... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM 1495 Views
No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM 1732 Views
Here are te quotes... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1527 Views
Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1563 Views
It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 1341 Views
Oh nonsense Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM 1437 Views
But that's his point. Gher - 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM 1430 Views
its a useless point Sidious - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1518 Views
Yes, utterly useless... Shannow - 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM 1485 Views
Dude, you need to re-read the books... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM 1424 Views
he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM 1429 Views
Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM 1506 Views
potentially, but Mesaana later turns up with BA using the 19 stolen ter'angreal. darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:41:41 PM 1397 Views
I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM 1418 Views
Re: I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM 1472 Views
What? fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:19:57 PM 1557 Views
Re: What? Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:20:19 AM 1477 Views
Oh boohoo... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:55:58 PM 1551 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM 1351 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM 1478 Views
which only tells us that Nynaeve is equal to the Forsaken. Has nothing to do with Egwene being darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:51:12 PM 1295 Views
Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1591 Views
Think about the logic of what you're proposing... Shannow - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1574 Views
It's what's in the friggin books! darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1481 Views
Duplicate post - deleted *NM* Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 750 Views
Re: Yes. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM 1519 Views
You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1649 Views
where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1546 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM 1276 Views
now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM 1451 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM 1454 Views
all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1501 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM 1433 Views
that's the point I'm making darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 1304 Views
I don't think Elayne was forced Zeratul - 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM 1458 Views
I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:43:29 PM 1275 Views
Re: I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:46:50 PM 1511 Views
Thanks for the quote Zeratul - 12/12/2010 07:17:30 PM 1570 Views
perhaps the opportunity hasn't arisen? And of course it's politic to appologize to the Amyrlin darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:41:11 PM 1422 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 08:04:21 PM 1461 Views
that's where I'm estimating Nynaeve being close to Siuan and Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 08:30:54 PM 1433 Views
Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM 1675 Views
nope darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:05:00 PM 1562 Views
Mesaana Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM 1367 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM 1389 Views
Re: agreed Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM 1273 Views
very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM 1390 Views
Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM 1543 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:47:28 PM 1466 Views
Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM 1530 Views
OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. Shannow - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 1422 Views
"clear evidence" moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 1472 Views
Laughable interpretation... Shannow - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1453 Views
Re: Laughable interpretation... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1497 Views
Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 1409 Views
Doesn't the forkroot explain that? *NM* Gher - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 965 Views
couple of thoughts here darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1461 Views
Re: couple of thoughts here fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 1383 Views
that's what I said! EDIT darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 1312 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1467 Views
Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM 1324 Views
Leane was shielded by two sisters as well sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM 1356 Views
I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM 1396 Views
Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM 1495 Views
I agree with that completely. darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:03:54 AM 1419 Views
Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM 1478 Views
re-read the section my friend. EDIT darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 1417 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 1389 Views
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 1496 Views
Not one of those things answers my rather simple question... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM 1457 Views
because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 1370 Views
She knows but she doesn't know? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM 1473 Views
She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM 1388 Views
And she doesn't know any details... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM 1399 Views
this conversation is so pointless darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM 1292 Views
Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM 1296 Views
Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. Sidious - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 1317 Views
Of course its obvious now! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM 1493 Views
it was always obvious that to me. The first thing Egwene thinks is about what the drug does to her darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:07:38 AM 1334 Views
Shielding Sidious - 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM 2846 Views
Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM 1452 Views
Re: Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:25:20 AM 1582 Views
There is, actually... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM 1342 Views
Meh Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM 1460 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM 1461 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 1447 Views
Tell Darius that... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 1381 Views
of course Katerine is redundant! 2 women of Barasine and Katerine's strength darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:00:50 AM 1354 Views
Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1549 Views
um, Elayne was in the process of bleeding to death and then had just been Healed darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:50:27 PM 1483 Views
You forget... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1485 Views
astounding "evidence" darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1492 Views
Re: astounding "evidence" The_Archer - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1548 Views
thanks darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1643 Views
Re: thanks The_Archer - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 1365 Views
We're not in disagreement for the most part darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 1368 Views
Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part The_Archer - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 1473 Views
Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:13:46 PM 1448 Views
Re: Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken The_Archer - 12/12/2010 06:35:02 PM 1493 Views
All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:50:59 PM 1474 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:05:58 PM 1536 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:11:29 PM 1485 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:14:47 PM 1526 Views
I don't get the logic here... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1492 Views
which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 982 Views
It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 1414 Views
And...? fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1428 Views
Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 1358 Views
That was my interpretation too Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 1400 Views
Re: That was my interpretation too moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1568 Views
what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1520 Views
The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 1397 Views
*Double post, please delete* *NM* Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 828 Views
You are correct! So clearly worry about the babies was not a reason to not draw more darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:05:30 PM 1393 Views
And... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 1393 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 1420 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 1409 Views
and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 1441 Views
Yes, I did know that. moratcorlm - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 1455 Views
meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1479 Views
Oops. *NM* moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 893 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM 1363 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM 1440 Views
We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1521 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:12:12 PM 1298 Views
they can actually sense both which is how Elayne knows Nynaeve is not at full potential darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:22:35 PM 1469 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM 1495 Views
Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 10:08:16 PM 1415 Views
Re: Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around The_Archer - 10/12/2010 10:50:32 PM 1469 Views
It's more than just fear of Moridin that makes her choose an attack from such a distance darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 11:10:57 PM 1382 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 10:50:20 PM 1473 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1636 Views
Help im new! The_Archer - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1518 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The Angry Druid - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1624 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The_Archer - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 1403 Views
How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 928 Views
Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? Sidious - 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM 1333 Views
Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. Lord Haart - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 1364 Views
you misread the topic Sidious - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1498 Views
But the debate is moronic because... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 1421 Views
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