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Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst Send a noteboard - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM
If the Shadow had picked a side and ensured (pre-BA purge) Egwene lost it and the Rebels crawled back, Rand would have been forced to take over the Aes Sedai.

Which with Elaida in charge would have been without much of an army (she dislikes Bryne and only increased the Tower guard under threat - they'd be 'restored' to the old token status).

There'd have been Aes Sedai casualties, but imagine a progression of - Elaida undisputed Amyrlin.
- Dark Rand forced to deal with her and the Aes Sedai once and for all. Dozens probably killed, but the rest bonded to Asha'man or Wise Ones apprentices.
- Rand has epiphany. Appoints the likes of Nynaeve or Cadsuane as Amyrlin.

Result - happy Rand with united Tower fighting for him, not against him.

The Shadow made a MAJOR mistake keeping the split going. An Egwene Tower earlier would have much better for the SHADOW then any of the alternatives (short of them stealing a sa'angreal and balefiring them all anyway).
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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2057 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1214 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 698 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 997 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 919 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 877 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 459 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 987 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1019 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 790 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 898 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 891 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 858 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 935 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 727 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 892 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 775 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 498 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 827 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 954 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 755 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1041 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 765 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 844 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 783 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 882 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1195 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 869 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 790 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 780 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 889 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1081 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1185 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 954 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 840 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 443 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 905 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 790 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 750 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 686 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 767 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 407 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 737 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 822 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 715 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 729 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 808 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 805 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 925 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 853 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 733 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 773 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 873 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 816 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 794 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 858 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 729 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 783 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 852 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 709 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 786 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 783 Views
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