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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius Send a noteboard - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM
Egwene actually has a huge power base, and it is growing. She is the Amyrlin, and has the powers of the office. She has the power of the purse, she can spend Tower money where she wants. She has the power of appointment. She can appoint Sisters who are loyal to her to positions of power, she can appoint Sisters who are troublemakers to far meaningless offices. Elaida sent Teslyn to Ebou Dar. She has the power to deal with rulers of other countries.


I'm not so sure about the appointment part. From what I understand, the Hall has a great deal of influence over this process. Besides, what offices are there to which Egwene can make appointments? The only one I can think of it as ambassadors to other nations; the Hall and Ajahs run the rest.

Egwene power is also growing. Egwene already has Sitters who are loyal to her including Doesine, Yukiri, and Saerin. After the Sitters, and Ajah heads the next 4 most influencai Aes Sedai are loyal to Egwene. Nyneave the most powerful Aes Sedai, Elayne the next most powerful Aes Sedai, Silviana the Keeper, and the Mistress of Novices. Egwene also brought 1500 new novices into the Tower. The existing novices are loyal to Egwene, the 1500 new novices will be loyal to her. In the next 20 years most if not all of these will become Aes Sedai and will tend to be loyal to Egwene.


Egwene can rely on what, ten Aes Sedai? Out of approximately 1000? Elayne and Nynaeve aren't planning on living their lives in the Tower to be able to support her, so while trustworthy I really can't count on them as being reliable when it really comes down to it. As you say, she'll need 20 years for all the novices to become AS before she's able to rely on them. In the interrim, she'll have to fight tooth and nail to get anything done.
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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2362 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1535 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 1039 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1318 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1230 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 1182 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 641 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 1315 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1310 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 1122 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1196 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1199 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1209 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1278 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 1031 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1191 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 1108 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 670 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1149 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1260 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 1071 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1320 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 1036 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1177 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 1101 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1188 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1582 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1209 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 1114 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 1101 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1204 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1558 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1504 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 1293 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1183 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 639 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1228 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 1080 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 1054 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 969 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 1085 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 586 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 1072 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1186 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 1031 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 1067 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 1119 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 1136 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1234 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1170 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 1048 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 1088 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1203 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 1124 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 1120 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1164 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 1028 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 1123 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1160 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 1016 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 1108 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 1120 Views
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