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She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM
I think you mistake not having subjects bound to obey her every whim without debate with not having a power base; as the lawfully Raised Amyrlin, all initiates of the White Tower are loyal to her, and it would take a lot of mistakes on her part to lose it. It may not appear this way to us because we have privileged information, but there was a reason that openly opposing an Amyrlin was viewed with shock - this is a deeply democratic institution. The fact that there is discussion, open debate and internal structures that balance the power of the Amyrlin shows its' health as an organization. Many of the changes she has implemented has made the White Tower more healthy than it had been before - especially some of the secondary outcomes of her actions (ie: the law that any new course of action needed the full Hall to review before approving it means political backstabbing and secrecy will be reduced).

Egwene is a scholarly type with a drive to best the best at whatever she sets her mind to. I believe that you confuse this drive with a lack of identity. She didn't feel a need to "be the best damane she could be!" once captured by the Seanchan, because this drive is very much connected to her sense of independence and self-control. In other words, she felt empowered by the Aes Sedai and the Wise Ones, and hastened to learn as much as she could from them. In my opinion, this is a good quality for a leader to have (especially when you are leading a community versus a single nation), as it confers a breadth of knowledge and ability to recognize the best in each community.

Is she perfect? No, but I would say that of all the characters, she is the most like Rand. The qualities you would call "Mary Sue"-like are remarkably similar to being "t'a'veren".
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2449 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1626 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 1113 Views
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Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 1199 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1269 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1277 Views
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1350 Views
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 1184 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 718 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1219 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1335 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 1139 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1377 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 1111 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1263 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 1186 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1274 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1704 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1287 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 1180 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 1170 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1280 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1637 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1256 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 684 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1297 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 1140 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 1124 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 1041 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 1152 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 613 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 1130 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1254 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 1107 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 1141 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 1209 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 1228 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1317 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1225 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 1126 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 1147 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1284 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 1194 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 1186 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1237 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 1130 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 1195 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1222 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 1086 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 1165 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 1180 Views

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