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That's not right... Hot Pie Send a noteboard - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM
Short of the Dragon Reborn, it is the most powerful position in the world, and that still holds true.

Everything else I pretty much agree with. But the list of top 3 powerful people are:
1. Rand
2. Tuon
3. Egwene


Tuon now doesn't have the whole Seanchan continent backing her. What she has is roughly 200K soldiers, Tarabon, Amadicia and Ebou Dar (none of which were major military powers save Amadicia, and their most significant military asset is now with Perrin), and an unspecified number of damane that is almost certainly smaller than the full number the Tower can field.

Plus, Egwene now has the beginnings of a working relationship with the WF and the WO, added to some influence with the DR, much influence with the rest of the Randland continent, the full backing of Andor-Cairhein... She's in sum, definitely more powerful than Tuon.


This isn't right at all lol. We're not given the amount of Damane the Seanchan have on Randland but it's certainly at equivalent to what the Tower can field, if not more. Regardless of what Egwene can yield, it doesn't matter because what Egwene can call forth would be like calling on a bunch of grunts straight out of boot camp...compared to Damane being Green Berets. The only channelers that would matter that Egwene could 'call' would be the Asha'man from the Black Tower and that isn't happening anytime soon for way too many reasons to begin listing here.

The Seanchan have more than 200k more soldiers as well. They had 100k at the Molvanian (sp) gap and I surmise 100k in the same situation guarding against Illian - that's 200k right there. And then you have the Seanchan's General's all being Great Captain equivalent as per Rand. So the differences in what Tuon can call forth and what Egwene can call forth is huge. The only chance Egwene would have against Tuon would be if she had the Asha'man and Matrim in her pocket and we all know that's not happening. So yeah, Tuon's more powerful than Egwene and Egwene would be crushed if she wasn't the Mary Sue of Randland.
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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2571 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1758 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 1241 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1521 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1464 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 1370 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 756 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 1504 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1517 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 1329 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1399 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1400 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1425 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1474 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 1210 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1413 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 1320 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 773 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1335 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1460 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 1257 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1508 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 1220 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1389 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 1358 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1410 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1895 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1452 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 1312 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 1300 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1396 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1767 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1713 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 1510 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1383 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 738 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1424 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 1254 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 1256 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 1176 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 1287 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 677 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 1266 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1383 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 1230 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 1284 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 1341 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 1366 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1444 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1362 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 1250 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 1271 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1456 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 1319 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 1316 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1349 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 1249 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 1316 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1329 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 1217 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 1291 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 1295 Views
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