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Re: That's not right... fairfax Send a noteboard - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM
Short of the Dragon Reborn, it is the most powerful position in the world, and that still holds true.

Everything else I pretty much agree with. But the list of top 3 powerful people are:
1. Rand
2. Tuon
3. Egwene


Tuon now doesn't have the whole Seanchan continent backing her. What she has is roughly 200K soldiers, Tarabon, Amadicia and Ebou Dar (none of which were major military powers save Amadicia, and their most significant military asset is now with Perrin), and an unspecified number of damane that is almost certainly smaller than the full number the Tower can field.

Plus, Egwene now has the beginnings of a working relationship with the WF and the WO, added to some influence with the DR, much influence with the rest of the Randland continent, the full backing of Andor-Cairhein... She's in sum, definitely more powerful than Tuon.


This isn't right at all lol. We're not given the amount of Damane the Seanchan have on Randland but it's certainly at equivalent to what the Tower can field, if not more. Regardless of what Egwene can yield, it doesn't matter because what Egwene can call forth would be like calling on a bunch of grunts straight out of boot camp...compared to Damane being Green Berets. The only channelers that would matter that Egwene could 'call' would be the Asha'man from the Black Tower and that isn't happening anytime soon for way too many reasons to begin listing here.

The Seanchan have more than 200k more soldiers as well. They had 100k at the Molvanian (sp) gap and I surmise 100k in the same situation guarding against Illian - that's 200k right there. And then you have the Seanchan's General's all being Great Captain equivalent as per Rand. So the differences in what Tuon can call forth and what Egwene can call forth is huge. The only chance Egwene would have against Tuon would be if she had the Asha'man and Matrim in her pocket and we all know that's not happening. So yeah, Tuon's more powerful than Egwene and Egwene would be crushed if she wasn't the Mary Sue of Randland.


The Seanchan have built a nice little empire by conquoring a group of weak, and disorganized countries. The Seanchan military had huge advantanges over Tarabon, Altara, Amadicia, and the Almoth Plain. All of which had weak or non existent national governments, and small poor armies. The Seanchan used overwhelming numbers, the raken provided intelligence and air support, and Damane which were not available to those they conquored.

The Seanchan generals are not Great Captains. Rand said the Ever Victorious Army won because they learned from their losses. The three times Seanchan army went up against a competent Randland general they lost. Rand about 5000 troops and a few Ashaman thumped the Seanchan. Rodel Itrulde destroyed the Seanchan army that was chasing him. Mat outmaneuvered whatever the Seanchan tried in Altara.

Egwene has assets than Tuon doesn't.
1. Linking which is unknown and unavailable to the Seanchan. Linking will allow Egwene's Aes Sedai to project more power at a greater distance than the Damane. Think a battleship firing its 16 inch guns at range that outranges a cruisers 8 inch guns.

2. Angreal and Sa'angreal. A weakened Egwene used an sa'angreal and was able to drive off the Seanchan force that attacked the White Tower.

3. Gareth Bryne is a Great Captain and is building a large army.

4. Allies. The Seanchan really have no allies. At a minimum Egwene can count on Elayne. Elayne the queen of two countries, has the Kin as power users, and cannons.

Tuon has one additional advantage. Egwene is focused on Tarmon Gaidon. Tuon is focused on the White Tower.

Egwene has one more advantage. Rand will not allow the White Tower to be crushed.

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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2056 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1213 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 698 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 995 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 918 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1018 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 790 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 897 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 890 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 857 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 935 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 726 Views
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 773 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 498 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 825 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 952 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 753 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1039 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 764 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 843 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 781 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 882 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1195 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 869 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 789 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 887 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1081 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 839 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 443 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 905 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 788 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 749 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 686 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 766 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 407 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 737 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 821 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 715 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 727 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 807 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 803 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 925 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 851 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 731 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 772 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 873 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 815 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 794 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 857 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 727 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 781 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 850 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 708 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 786 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 783 Views

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