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And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM
As Nynaeve anticipates, "Egwene would be among the most harsh. To show that she had been right in raising Nynaeve." That is, Nynaeve knows that Egwene would try to cause her pain, and knows why: "to show that she had been right"; that is, to advance her own political career. Whether Nynaeve is right about this (and Egwene did admit that at least the two tests Nynaeve was most revolted by, Emond's Field and Lan, were of her personal devising), I see no reason to believe that she changed her assessment of the situation.

And since, in politics, belief is more important than actuality, that's the key issue. Egwene forced Nynaeve to present herself for torture, both knowing full well why – to stabilize Egwene's personal position – and made no credible apologies for it. That's goes beyond Egwene's usual narcissistic comportment and well into tyranny.
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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2445 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1621 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 1110 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1387 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1338 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 1239 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 687 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 1381 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1388 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 1197 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1268 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1277 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1302 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1347 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 1090 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1280 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 1182 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 717 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1218 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1333 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 1138 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1376 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 1110 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1260 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 1183 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1271 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1701 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1283 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 1176 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 1165 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1279 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1633 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1579 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 1400 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1254 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 683 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1295 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 1139 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 1122 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 1040 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 1150 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 612 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 1129 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1252 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 1106 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 1139 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 1206 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 1224 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1316 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1224 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 1125 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 1146 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1284 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 1192 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 1184 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1235 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 1125 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 1191 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1221 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 1085 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 1163 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 1179 Views
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