Active Users:408 Time:17/06/2025 02:09:18 AM
Re: More explanations... Zeratul Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM
Right now Tuon certainly has much more power than Egwene. She's the absolute ruler of an empire, while Egwene has to take into account the Tower Hall. Under Egwene's direct control are only Tar Valon and the villages close by. Tuon has way more subjects.

In terms of military power, again the Tuon wins easily. She has the big Seanchan contingent which came with their ships as the core of the armies, which had come from the Seanchan continent, and are much more experienced and better trained that Gareth Bryne's army, the vast majority of which are raw recruits. Then they have the local forces of three countries under their command too. Even after they lost 100 000 strong force to Ituralde's army, they were ready to immediately gather a much bigger one. They have the advantage of the raken scouts.

In terms of number of channellers, it's anyone's guess how many damane the Seanchan have available, but since they've tested every woman in three countries, and have no doubt brought along a significant amount of them from Seanchan, and they also got 300 or so from the Shaido Wise Ones, chances are they should have at least 2-3 thousands of them. Even if they are somewhat less, they certainly are more than the number of full Aes Sedai Egwene has (something like 700-800 at most if all those with stayed away during the split had come back, which is doubtful).

Sure, if we add the possible allies of the White Tower, the situation chances. But Egwene has no control over the Aiel armies or the Andoran ones. She has significant political influence over the leaders of the Randland nations, and they will probably be allies of the Tower in case of a war with the Seanchan, but that's not the same thing. If Elayne thinks it will be better for Andor and Cairhien not to send their armies to help the White Tower, she will do it and Egwene has no way to force her to obey her demands. The same applies even more to every other ruler in Randland.

The advantage of Egwene is the political influence the Tower has, but it's at almost all time low due to the rise of the Dragon Reborn, the Tower split and the Seanchan invasion. Right now the only monarch whose support she can count on is Elayne, and even with her she can't really press the issue as the Amyrlin did in the old days, when there were no Dragon, Asha'man, Seanchan and Aiel to complicate the political situation. The Borderlander rulers, the closest allies traditionally to the Tower, left on their expedition without even informing any of the Tower fractions and are now most probably sworn to Rand. Illian and Tear are under Rand's control.
This message last edited by Zeratul on 20/12/2010 at 04:00:31 PM
Reply to message
Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2322 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1486 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 988 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1257 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1168 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1258 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 1045 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1148 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1147 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1149 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1216 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 980 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1134 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 1051 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 644 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1101 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1214 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 1024 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1270 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 979 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1133 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 1041 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1131 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1520 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1148 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 1062 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 1048 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1153 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1496 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1132 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 608 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1176 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 1039 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 1004 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 926 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 1040 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 561 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 1019 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1134 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 981 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 1006 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 1061 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 1071 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1188 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1118 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 1004 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 1029 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1153 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 1072 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 1073 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1114 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 979 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 1068 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1100 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 966 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 1047 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 1067 Views

Reply to Message