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So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM
As we've come to expect, heaven forbid an enemy of the good guys actually being portrayed as even mildly intelligent in this series.

Sounds like Elaida is doing a great job of destroying herself, just like some other bad guys we've come to know and love.

How wonderful. Can you feel the tension among the readership? Do you think Egwene has any chance of victory against such a formiddable foe?

Oooh, the suspense...

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Mind-numbingly boring... Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2556 Views
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Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 1218 Views
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Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 2128 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 2161 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 1251 Views
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Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. StinkerSkunk - 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM 1964 Views
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Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2223 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 2255 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 2188 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 2109 Views
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So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 2211 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 2110 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 2084 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 2166 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2123 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 2082 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2166 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2247 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2247 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2093 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1292 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2107 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1996 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2019 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2035 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2034 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1837 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2205 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1925 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 2011 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 2067 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2781 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 2177 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 2144 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2279 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1549 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 2130 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2089 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1984 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1213 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2160 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1927 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1885 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2135 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2171 Views
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WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2109 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2194 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2256 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1907 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2000 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1960 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 2105 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2117 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1875 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 2114 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2191 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1160 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2070 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2249 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1857 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2205 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1978 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2108 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1685 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2025 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2049 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2072 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1978 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2252 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1384 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2146 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2311 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2109 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1985 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2166 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1951 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2124 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 2086 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2334 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2264 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 2136 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1912 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 2072 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 2016 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1134 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 2213 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2146 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 2064 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 2124 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1214 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1965 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1935 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2063 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 2063 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2112 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 2136 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 2055 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1864 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1959 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1928 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2168 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1926 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1986 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2069 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2076 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2042 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1926 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2047 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2088 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1940 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1228 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1848 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1970 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2012 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 2013 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1986 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1882 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1951 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2036 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2275 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2125 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1950 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1185 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1978 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2013 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1173 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2094 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2029 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 2036 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2201 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2162 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 1970 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1995 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1221 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1266 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1904 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 2126 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2047 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2017 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2048 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2041 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2178 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2056 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1874 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1977 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2115 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2103 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1773 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2204 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2071 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1864 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2005 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2015 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2050 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2084 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1922 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1974 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2077 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1192 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1983 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1934 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1987 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2257 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1984 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1925 Views
I don't think it covers things like that Isaac - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1966 Views
She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1174 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1876 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2014 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1801 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2059 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1798 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1950 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 2060 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2003 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2027 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2042 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1873 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1994 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1989 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2052 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1959 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1982 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2301 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1145 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2144 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1782 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2028 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1899 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1871 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1142 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2185 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2095 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2207 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1990 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1283 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2056 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2106 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1204 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1879 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1851 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1922 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2005 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1968 Views
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