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Well, she never did anything about it, forgot it or dismissed it as unimportant, as others did, while Niall quite clearly intended to do that (although, to be fair Amadicia is fairly closer to Tarabon than Tar Valon is to any Seanchan landing site).

Also, Siuan did nothing because they had been beaten back, and the next time they came, she was no longer Amyrlin.

That's true. Maybe I am being hasty in my judgment. But The Wheel of Time doesn't have a good record of keeping antagonists impressive.

But the protagonists aren't impressive either. WoT is filled with mediocre people, filled with failings. I find that realistic. I'd have hated this to be the contest between the super-villain and the super-hero.

Just a joke directed at the disproportionate amount of respect Egwene earned by getting spanked, when we've seen so much worse in the series already. Of course I never believed that was what was going to earn her the Tower.

I don't think its ridiculous, though. Sure, Egwene herself has gone through worse, and Rand too. But neither of those instances had them cool, collected and capable of mounting a stinging political attack on their opponent while calmly accepting their beatings. Also, there's something people are ignoring. All those women who respect Egwene for taking the beating know that she can end it any time. She just has to ask for a rescue and the Rebels will do it. That she does not shows that she is putting her discomfort as secondary to Tower unity, and that is indeed respect worthy.
It isn't just the beating, which are bad enough. Its how she takes them and what she's doing despite them.

But in that case, wouldn't the first offense be the crime that Siuan committed and got her deposed in the first place?

What crime, though? Keeping the Dragon Reborn and her plans for him a secret? If Elaida was so sure that was a crime by Tower law, then why didn't she prosecute Siuan and hold an open trial?
Worse, Elaida herself saw the sense in keeping her plans for Rand and the Black Tower a secret from others, as also her failures in these matters.
There seems to be nothing at all to indicate that keeping the Dragon Reborn secret is against Tower law. The wisdom of doing so might be questioned, if the plan is horribly bungled up, punishment might be given. But merely keeping him secret is no crime, and Elaida knew it.

No, I kinda put the blame on the Warders who attacked the Tower. And on their Sisters, who presumably commanded them, because really, what do the Warders care? So yeah, I think the Warders who turned on the other Warders are responsible for turning Warder against Warder. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Lets see. A Sister steals the Tower's most powerful sa'angreal and asks her Warder to guard it, as also mercenaries that she has secretly placed as masons in the library. Another sister, confused and angered that a sister could do this, asks her Warder to retrieve the sa'angreal. The two Warders fight. Is the fault with the second sister-warder pair?
In the history of the Tower, no Aes Sedai, let alone an Amyrlin, had been stripped of her position without even a trial. Suddenly, an Amyrlin is magically deposed and another is installed in her place, and several Sitters are clueless about this as well! Why shouldn't the Greens and Blues have sent their Warders to rescue Siuan?

She could have, you know, informed the White Tower of the Dragon's Rebirth so they would be able to contain him. That would have been disastrous to the world, of course, but given that the crime is 'not containing the Dragon Reborn', let me ask you, which Amyrlin actually met with the Dragon Reborn, knowing who he was, surrounded by Aes Sedai, Warders, Tower Guard and Shienarans who would leap to obey her, while the Dragon Reborn was alone?

But the Tower was containing him! An Aes Sedai was his only adviser, and while he was showing signs of rebellion, that was not something anyone around Siuan knew. Siuan herself did not know.
As for what happened in Fal Dara... Siuan achieved her purpose, however unexpected the manner in which it happened was. She wanted to manipulate him into following the Horn (which he did) and then have him reveal himself as Dragon Reborn, which also happened.
Unless you think that packing him off to Tar Valon in a box is the only way to contain him, Siuan did a fair job, because she prevented him from going into some obscure place to die, and pushed him to his destiny. Sure, it was Falme instead of Illian and appearing over the sky instead of handing over the Horn, but surely, better than an obscure death in the Black Hills?
And Elaida has done a worse job with Rand than Siuan. Not only did she rile him severely by storing him in a box and having him beaten like a rug, she then went ahead and issued an idiotic edict that she is the only one who can have dealings with him!

I don't. You do. You pretend only Egwene has rationalisations for her crimes.

But she doesn't rationalize them so. And I'm not saying Elaida's crimes have no motive. I'm saying her motives are less pure than Egwene's.

No she wasn't. She was 'forced' to come to Salidar by people who had neither the authority to order her, nor the ability to enforce their decrees. Essentially, she was 'forced' by a complete and utter lack of force.

No authority to order her? Since when can Aes Sedai not order an Accepted? And Egwene knew from Elayne and Nynaeve how Elaida, from a very great distance, almost had them captured. Why could the same not be done to her? Its not like no one from Salidar had eyes and ears in Cairhein. The moment she refused to go, they could have had her captured. Plus, their embassy could have come to town and taken her away.

Right, and if Elaida is deposed, she will be Stilled, which is the equivalent of death. So she is also justified in magically forcing obedience in her subjects, right?

But she set herself down that path. She didn't just ask for the job, she grabbed it by staging a coup! And then, allowed the Tower to be riven with cracks so that her mistakes with Rand and the BT would not result in her being stilled. And now, she wants Oaths of obedience so her prior mistake (made to save her own neck) can be rectified so that her neck will be saved again? Absurd!

That was wrong, according to Egwene (and Nynaeve), remember?

But neither of them knew Rand forced it out of her, and Moiraine gave the impression (with all her talk of controlling through accepting) that she did so voluntarily. All Egwene and Nynaeve said was that it was wrong of Moiraine, an Aes Sedai, to bow to a man.
Which is ridiculous, of course. But what Nynaeve and Egwene are showing here is a lack of understanding of Rand's frustration. If they had made the same statement even if they understood what was going on, then I'd agree Egwene was a hypocrite for doing this herself.
This makes me wonder though. When Egwene insists that she was the only one who understood him, is this what she meant? That she now sees the frustration that must have driven Rand to his actions?
Ah, so the problem is that Egwene knows what she did was a crime, so she did it secretly, while Elaida is actually going to be open about it?

What's the connection between this and what I said?
I said Elaida is asking for Oaths to rectify her own bloody mistakes, whereas Egwene is doing so because she has been forced to play puppet without ever actually wanting the power or glory of the Amyrlin.

Welcome to politics. I'm sure no other important political figure in the series has had people who wanted to 'pull strings and stay in power no matter who lost their life'. Except, you know, all of them. Including Elaida.

But people like Elaida wanted the life of politics. They entered fully aware of the risks, and fully prepared to take them. Egwene did not know the risks, Egwene did not want the power, yet Egwene had to ear the responsibility, yet got no authority to see it fulfilled to its logical conclusion. That's the difference between their situations, and why Egwene's situation arouses sympathy while Elaida's arouses contempt. Elaida got what she asked for, having grabbed power by shady means.

No, it's just self-defense, against actual Darkfriends who want to manipulate her into destroying the White Tower and ensuring the Aes Sedai won't be able to help at Tarmon Gai'don. Wow, that's even more important than a single life, so Elaida is even more justified than Egwene!

Self defense against Darkfrineds? The Rebels and the various Ajahs are Darkfriends? Where does Elaida state that this is her motivation?
By the way, Egwene has stated straight out that the reason she supports the Rebellion and wants Elaida out is because this keeps the Tower from interfering with Rand, and keeps Elaida from harming Rand. Surely, there can be no better goal than preventing interference with the world's prophesied savior? Egwene is seeing herself as a shield between the Tower and Rand, and that noble goal surely justifies a few oaths?

No, what's incongruous is that she doesn't realise she's a hypocritical rat.

Huh? How so? Egwene has innumerable proofs that she is human. She cannot be any kind of rat, and there's nothing wrong in her not realizing this. I mean, no one thinks its incongruous that Rand doesn't realize he's a crazy walrus, do they? :D
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The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1254 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1452 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1248 Views
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I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1414 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1293 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 861 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1309 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1263 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1413 Views
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And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1440 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1299 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 889 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 926 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1201 Views
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We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1461 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1361 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1180 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1284 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1431 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1435 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1088 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1514 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1387 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1203 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1341 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1312 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1372 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1407 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1226 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1305 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1392 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 875 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1313 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1255 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1303 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1514 Views
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Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1233 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1297 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 860 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1195 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1299 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1155 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1381 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1128 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1288 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1313 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1382 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1373 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1185 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1316 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1287 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1347 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1279 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1293 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1605 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 805 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1359 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1111 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1301 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1224 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1195 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 843 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1422 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1345 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1455 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1339 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 968 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1397 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1430 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 880 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1198 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1194 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1422 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1321 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1279 Views

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