Honestly, I think this comes of RJ's overall plotting. No disrespect to him at all, but it seems to me that there were patches of "dead space" for each character where his notes literally might have said "Elayne is annoyed with her pregnancy - play this up each chapter; she is embroiled in Andoran politics - play this up for two-three books".
Egwene's started around Book III and I am convinced RJ didn't have much for her to do until she became Amyrlin and during the endgame.
That being said, I didn't see much similarity between the two - Egwene's oath required trust on the part of both subject and leader in exchange for obedience leaving room for independence of thought, whereas Elaida's use of the Oath Rod in that nature demands obedience. Elaida's, to be frank, destroys everything the White Tower stood for (and I will be candid in saying that I'm still not 100% sure what the White Tower actually stands for besides working together in a model UN-type atmosphere).
Egwene's started around Book III and I am convinced RJ didn't have much for her to do until she became Amyrlin and during the endgame.
That being said, I didn't see much similarity between the two - Egwene's oath required trust on the part of both subject and leader in exchange for obedience leaving room for independence of thought, whereas Elaida's use of the Oath Rod in that nature demands obedience. Elaida's, to be frank, destroys everything the White Tower stood for (and I will be candid in saying that I'm still not 100% sure what the White Tower actually stands for besides working together in a model UN-type atmosphere).
"Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness."
Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers*
- 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM
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I liked it *Spoilers*
- 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM
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Mind-numbingly boring...
- 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM
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Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM*
- 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM
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EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way.
- 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM
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Chapter summary
- 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM
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sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM*
- 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM
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I should disagree
- 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM
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Jordan left tons of background info in notes
- 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM
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Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes
- 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM
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Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM*
- 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM
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Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years.
- 28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM
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Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years.
- 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM
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Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower?
- 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM
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Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower.
- 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM
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I always thought it was the small town thing
- 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM
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Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH?
- 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM
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So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way!
- 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM
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Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower?
- 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM
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This made my morning happy.
- 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM
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I think it's different.
- 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM
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True.
- 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM
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Re: True.
- 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM
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I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM*
- 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM
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Re: I think it's different.
- 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM
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There's still a difference...
- 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM
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Re: There's still a difference...
- 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM
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But...
- 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM
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In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her.
- 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM
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Is Alviarin finished?
- 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM
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Two possibilities that come to mind
- 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM
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Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too.
- 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM
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She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths.
- 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM
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Not finished it yet
- 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM
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Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar
- 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM
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Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her
- 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM
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I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list
- 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM
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If this is true, it could be a ploy
- 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM
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I liked it *Spoilers*
- 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM
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I think...
- 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM
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Re: I think...
- 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM
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Re: I think...
- 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM
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Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well?
- 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM
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Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid
- 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM
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Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM*
- 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM
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is she wrong?
- 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM
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The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits
- 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM
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Re: is she wrong?
- 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM
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Re: is she wrong?
- 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM
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I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement
- 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM
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What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT?
- 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM
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I can never decide what I think will happen
- 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM
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Re: I can never decide what I think will happen
- 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM
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I disagree, the Rebels are better protected
- 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM
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I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM*
- 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM
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Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property"
- 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM
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Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property"
- 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM
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OK, I didn't remember the details correctly
- 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM
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Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly
- 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM
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The title of book 13...
- 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM
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Swing and a miss.
- 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM
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As said
- 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM
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Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A
- 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM
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I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any?
- 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM
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Also... this makes me miss RJ even more
- 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM
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I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM*
- 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM
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Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath?
- 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM
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I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn.
- 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM
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The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would
- 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM
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Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would
- 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM
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Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes
- 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM
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No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM*
- 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM
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What about Mesaana?
- 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM
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Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little
- 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM
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Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM
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Re: Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM
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Re: Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM
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Re: Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM
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That's not his argument though
- 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM
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I think...
- 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM
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Egwene and Mesaana
- 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM
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Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene...
- 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM
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Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM*
- 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM
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Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod
- 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM
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Well... that elicited quite a reaction.
- 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM
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I had many of those same thoughts.
- 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM
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Re: I had many of those same thoughts.
- 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM
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Re: I had many of those same thoughts.
- 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM
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She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it
- 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM
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Hmmm....
- 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM
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Re: Hmmm....
- 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM
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Re: Hmmm....
- 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM
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Elaida, Formidable?
- 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM
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How do you figure?
- 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM
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Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done?
- 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM
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Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done?
- 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM
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Oh yeah, and...
- 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM
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The Dark One's Touch
- 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM
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- 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM
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