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She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM

Not sure that's really Elaida's free-will making those decisions. In fact, she realizes they are blunders from the start. Not just the letter, but also publicly revealing the heads of the Ajahs.

She wasn't in any way enforced because when she found the way, she deposed Alviarin and then carried on letting the Tower get destroyed.
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I should disagree StinkerSkunk - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1488 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1381 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 1425 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 933 Views
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Re: Chapter summary RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1554 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1557 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1569 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1496 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1437 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1418 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1633 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1527 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1429 Views
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Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1466 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1409 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1390 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1495 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1524 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1559 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1414 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 956 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1397 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1313 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1329 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1357 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1365 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1141 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1400 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1260 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1298 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1390 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2118 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1508 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1432 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1614 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1212 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1489 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1388 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1293 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 890 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1458 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1225 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1356 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1448 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1506 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1593 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1427 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1462 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1564 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1243 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1319 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1303 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 1452 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1393 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1226 Views
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nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 827 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1405 Views
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Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1545 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1243 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1411 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1179 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1323 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1359 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1399 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1316 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1574 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1067 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1470 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1583 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1415 Views
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Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1474 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1256 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1420 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1369 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1642 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1540 Views
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I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1239 Views
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Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1349 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 808 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1531 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1421 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1382 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1442 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 905 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1333 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1230 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1351 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1366 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1464 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1467 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1396 Views
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no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1265 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1260 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1459 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1255 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1284 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1355 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1372 Views
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Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1209 Views
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Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1383 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1238 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 900 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1134 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1312 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1349 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1339 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1269 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1220 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1272 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1351 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1596 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1417 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1298 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 862 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1315 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1270 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 849 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1419 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1342 Views
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The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1487 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1448 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 1281 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1305 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 889 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 926 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1207 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 1438 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1336 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1348 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1358 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1357 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1469 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1366 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1187 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1287 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1435 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1440 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1094 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1519 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1389 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1208 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1347 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1320 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1378 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1413 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1231 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1310 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1400 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 876 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1321 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1257 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1305 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1519 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1317 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1239 Views
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She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 860 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1201 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1305 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1160 Views
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Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1134 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1293 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 1379 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1320 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1387 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1379 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1192 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1322 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1295 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1353 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1289 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1300 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1614 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 805 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1368 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1116 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1307 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1229 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1203 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 844 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1427 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1352 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1460 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1346 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 968 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1402 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1437 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 881 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1201 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1204 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1428 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1328 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1287 Views
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