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I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac Send a noteboard - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM
Egwene already knows that Rand has support.

Egwene selfishly wants to be the one "guiding" Rand. Egwene should admit that Rand has guidance, just not the guidance she prefers (i.e. Rand collared with the male adam doing exactly what Egwene wants).

Everybody wants to control Rand, but that would lead to disaster. Only Rand knows how to defeat the Dark One because only Rand got the answer through the ter'angreal in Tear.

Edit 1: Also, only Rand can possibly figure out why the DO's prison seal didn't work b/c only he has access to LTT's thoughts. Rand already knows or will soon figure out that he needs a circle of women and men channelers to correctly seal the prison on the DO. If Egwene ever got control of Rand, and I'm talking about the type of control she and Elaida want over Rand (i.e. collared and doing whatever she says) it would end in complete disaster. Nobody except Rand could possibly reseal the prison on the DO.

Edit 2: Actually, Lanfear/Cyndane might know how to seal the DO. So there are two people in the world who could do it.


If LTT and Lanfear know, then I'd wager Moridin does too, in fact, most of the forsaken probably know what went right and wrong with the original sealing. They'd at least be likely to know how it was done, and can probably make as good a guess as LTT as to what went wrong.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2228 Views
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She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2245 Views
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no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2284 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2268 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2474 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2186 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2282 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2360 Views
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Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2224 Views
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Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2327 Views
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I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2437 Views
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Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2376 Views
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Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2280 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1386 Views
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Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2326 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2316 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2480 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2344 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2186 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2295 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2394 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2416 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 2058 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2528 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2372 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2162 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2331 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2337 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2366 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2369 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2206 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2274 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2356 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1360 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2292 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2240 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2313 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2556 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2274 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2277 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2264 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1338 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2165 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2307 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2106 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2342 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2112 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2250 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2288 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2314 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2322 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2188 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2291 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2312 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2316 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2282 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2265 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2595 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1310 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2442 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 2061 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2328 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2196 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2164 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1312 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2465 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2389 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2531 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2289 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1455 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2337 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2409 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1360 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2159 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2105 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 2104 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2321 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2268 Views

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