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So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM
As we've come to expect, heaven forbid an enemy of the good guys actually being portrayed as even mildly intelligent in this series.

Sounds like Elaida is doing a great job of destroying herself, just like some other bad guys we've come to know and love.

How wonderful. Can you feel the tension among the readership? Do you think Egwene has any chance of victory against such a formiddable foe?

Oooh, the suspense...

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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* Sidious - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 8465 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2930 Views
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Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” Cannoli - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 2899 Views
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Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 1432 Views
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Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 2476 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 2556 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 1442 Views
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Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. StinkerSkunk - 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM 2315 Views
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Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2593 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 2601 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 2583 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 2494 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 2466 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 2667 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 2552 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 2462 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 2459 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 2527 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2515 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 2456 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2493 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2619 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2588 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2449 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1483 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2496 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 2353 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2384 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2388 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2360 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 2197 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2623 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2283 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 2341 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 2430 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 3168 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 2546 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 2514 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2610 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1745 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 2475 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2452 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 2315 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1405 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2489 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 2264 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 2123 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2494 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2501 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2602 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2467 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2572 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2591 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 2255 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2321 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2300 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 2457 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2447 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 2240 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 2501 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2533 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1362 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2429 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2598 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 2188 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2586 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 2334 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2444 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1949 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2376 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2414 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2433 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 2336 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2611 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1591 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2476 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2654 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2442 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 2323 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2550 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 2333 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2489 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 2404 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2687 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2622 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 2506 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 2239 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 2413 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 2382 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1332 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 2583 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2511 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 2401 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 2465 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1397 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 2270 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 2322 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2411 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 2387 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2473 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 2521 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 2395 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 2212 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2334 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2324 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2515 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2229 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2331 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2402 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2438 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2369 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2276 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2415 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2422 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 2278 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1410 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 2177 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 2307 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2358 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 2368 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2375 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 2250 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 2299 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2378 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2636 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2481 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 2290 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1381 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2306 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2436 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1362 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2457 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2378 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 2360 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2546 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2516 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 2320 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2342 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1423 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1466 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 2226 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 2495 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2401 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2366 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2360 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2377 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2521 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2392 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2233 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2342 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2438 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2472 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 2107 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2586 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2433 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2216 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2387 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2380 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2403 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2425 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2249 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2330 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2412 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1388 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2340 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2278 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2361 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2601 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2322 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2326 Views
I don't think it covers things like that Isaac - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2309 Views
She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1372 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2208 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2353 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2153 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2382 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2163 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2300 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 2412 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2329 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2363 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2373 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2246 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2337 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2374 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2376 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2329 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2318 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2659 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1338 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2510 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 2111 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2376 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2251 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2207 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1350 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2500 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2453 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2589 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2334 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1487 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2387 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2468 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1405 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2211 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2163 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 2134 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2375 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2319 Views
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