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Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM
With Cadsuane mid-to-high 30s, Eg/Avi/El at 40, Nynaeve at 65, etc. Androl, meanwhile, is probably around 4 or 5. I see him as similar to Morgase, only a little more powerful.

The problem with Nynaeve at 65 is that it makes zero sense. She's has about 6 women stronger than her in the entire series, and matches mid-level Foresaken strength. No way is she 65.

And given what we know about strength being a bell curve, there's no way exceptionally strong women like Moiraine are going to be below strength 50, which would be the average strength of all channelers.


She's strong for the Third Age, when average strength has declined a great deal. It makes no sense that she would be 50; Elayne, Egwene and Aviendha are all significantly stronger than she, yet Rand (at not even close to full potential, mind you, as of tSR) handled both Egwene and Elayne with little difficulty—and Egwene, at least, was close to her potential at that time because of the forcing she experienced at the hands of the Seanchan.

Similarly, it simply doesn't make sense that Moiraine is over half as strong as Rand. Just, no.


Shields are easy to put in place if the person is not holding the Source, and require a bit more power to continue shielding. In the aforementioned chapter of tSR, Egwene is not holding saidar. Elayne may possibly be, but she was not forced by the Seanchan, and therefore nowhere near her potential.
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2674 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 650 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 900 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1000 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 941 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 669 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 967 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1166 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1005 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1055 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1026 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1022 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 942 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 889 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 981 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 574 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1074 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 785 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1098 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 847 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 931 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 880 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 933 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 884 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 938 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 889 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 818 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 819 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 829 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 883 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 883 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 778 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 896 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 868 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 921 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 977 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 679 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 913 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 812 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 848 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 856 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 774 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 753 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 743 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 749 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 931 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 700 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 846 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 940 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 818 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 711 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 815 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 736 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 747 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 731 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 855 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 847 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 745 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 794 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 769 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 777 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 801 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1149 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 815 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 889 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 810 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 788 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 755 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 754 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 770 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 768 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 803 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 809 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 829 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 780 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 762 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 724 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 727 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 868 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 737 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 791 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 750 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 878 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 732 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 770 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 732 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 683 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 877 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 725 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 819 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 740 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 687 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 776 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1304 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 751 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 781 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 764 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 833 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 780 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 693 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 745 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 809 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 778 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 745 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 834 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 708 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 746 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 770 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 791 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 815 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 764 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 757 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 758 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 791 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 904 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 891 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 566 Views
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